I know. According to a senior public servant one reason why access to
facilities up here such as sewage ponds and Darwin River Dam is now so
difficult is crocodiles. Another is a fear of terrorism.
Denise
On 10 Aug 2018, at 9:36 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
> Its not just in the US. Some councils in NSW (I'm thinking of Lake
> Cargelligo as the best example) who promote their used-water facilities as
> birding sites and get a lot of people staying in their caravan sites and
> spending $$ in the towns. Others Councils, including the equivalent mob
> responsible for the ACT, seem blinkered in their consideration of more than
> one use for these sites
>
> Martin Butterfield
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> On 10 August 2018 at 07:28, Denise Goodfellow <>
> wrote:
> Graeme, couldn’t agree more. But such attitudes towards birders are not
> surprising. A couple of decades ago I put it to councils around the NT that
> birders are a market they should target. In North America birding has been
> the saviour of the economy of some small towns. There is still little
> interest as I found when I put it to both the mayors of my shire and Tennant
> Creek.
>
> Here, by the way, I’m not just talking listers. Most birders have a wide
> range of interests, and many are travelling with a spouse as well.
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 6:31 am, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
>
>> Also my line Denise:
>>
>> Very polite advice on the power of this medium to spread the word and the
>> risk of a "Birding and grey nomad" bypass as they give Winton a "why bother"
>> just at the time when the severe drought needs visitors to support local
>> businesses.
>>
>> Perhaps they have so many visitors stocking up before chasing Night Parrots
>> that the don't really care?
>>
>> Graeme S
>>
>>
>> From: Denise Goodfellow <>
>> Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 6:23 AM
>> To: Martin Butterfield
>> Cc: Graeme Stevens; birding-aus; Michael Honeyman
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>
>> I’m an ex-alderman (Darwin City Council) and know that this is the case for
>> many issues. Which is why I took the tourism angle.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> On 10 Aug 2018, at 5:28 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to the world of Local Government! What would get the Council's
>>> attention would be complaints from residents - preferably ones who pay a
>>> lot of rates - of the area. Outsiders jumping up and down can be safely
>>> ignored.
>>>
>>> Martin Butterfield
>>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>>>
>>> On 9 August 2018 at 21:52, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And no response to email.
>>>>
>>>> Graeme Stevens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Greg
>>>> and Val Clancy <>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 8:10 PM
>>>> To: Michael Honeyman; Peter Shute
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>>>
>>>> I agree that we shouldn’t 'shoot from the hip' but I am still awaiting a
>>>> response from the Director of Works who promised to call me back days ago.
>>>> I have followed up but to no avail. Not a good look.
>>>>
>>>> Greg Clancy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Honeyman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:27 PM
>>>> To: Peter Shute
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>>>
>>>> Very much depends on the site Peter!
>>>>
>>>> And to an extent also depends on who you ask. I’ve worked on jobs where
>>>> previous advice given was along the lines of ‘fill it all in and build a
>>>> big
>>>> automated plant’ and been able to recommend minor changes that kept the
>>>> lagoons in situ with minor modifications.
>>>>
>>>> That said vegetation to any significant degree usually risks the integrity
>>>> of the lining of the pond, and whether 500 rhizomes or 250 rhizomes are
>>>> starting to penetrate the liner is academic - they all have to come out to
>>>> protect the liner.
>>>>
>>>> Another factor is that ponds (usually over many years) accumulate sludge as
>>>> part of the way they operate and this needs to be periodically dug out one
>>>> way or another. If the reeds are growing in the sludge then again, they
>>>> have
>>>> to come out.
>>>>
>>>> This is all speculation on my part of course, just trying to give some
>>>> context as someone experienced in the design and operation of treatment
>>>> lagoons before the birding community shoots from the hip at too many
>>>> council
>>>> employees. In the unique situation of being both qualified as an engineer
>>>> and qualified as an ornithologist!
>>>>
>>>> mjh
>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Aug 2018, at 20:52, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are compromises feasible, Mike? Eg just remove half the reeds?
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Shute
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 Aug 2018, at 6:47 am, mike.honeyman <>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi allThere is mention of the 'old' treatment ponds, was this a current
>>>>>> active treatment plant?
>>>>>> Excessive vegetation in treatment lagoons is not condusive to their
>>>>>> primary purpose - treating sewage - so if they were active lagoons there
>>>>>> may have been a need to have removed the veg to ensure it was working
>>>>>> effectively.I'm not personally familiar with this site, but have
>>>>>> consulted on other sites where the lagoons had reeds encroaching and the
>>>>>> reeds have generally had to go, birds or not.
>>>>>> mjh
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