The other reason my friend gave for restricting access to the SP was the
behaviour of certain birders who not only took risks re crocodiles etc, but
were present without a permit. He threatened to have them arrested.
On 10 Aug 2018, at 12:29 pm, mike.honeyman <> wrote:
> And general health and safety risks and liabilities around open water, human
> health risks (wastewater), drinking water contamination risks (dams),
> unintentional interference with operations and so on and so on....
> Speaking from personal experience most water utilities would be happy to take
> the 'greenie points' of having facilities as an environmental and community
> benefit, but please try and have some sympathy with the difficulties often
> presented to acheiving this which is after all a 'nice to have', not a core
> function.
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Denise Goodfellow
> <> Date: 10/8/18 12:41 pm (GMT+10:00) To: Martin
> Butterfield <> Cc: Graeme Stevens <>,
> birding-aus <>, Michael Honeyman
> <> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
> I know. According to a senior public servant one reason why access to
> facilities up here such as sewage ponds and Darwin River Dam is now so
> difficult is crocodiles. Another is a fear of terrorism.
>
> Denise
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 9:36 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
> Its not just in the US. Some councils in NSW (I'm thinking of Lake
> Cargelligo as the best example) who promote their used-water facilities as
> birding sites and get a lot of people staying in their caravan sites and
> spending $$ in the towns. Others Councils, including the equivalent mob
> responsible for the ACT, seem blinkered in their consideration of more than
> one use for these sites
> Martin Butterfieldhttp://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
>
> On 10 August 2018 at 07:28, Denise Goodfellow <>
> wrote:
> Graeme, couldn’t agree more. But such attitudes towards birders are not
> surprising. A couple of decades ago I put it to councils around the NT that
> birders are a market they should target. In North America birding has been
> the saviour of the economy of some small towns. There is still little
> interest as I found when I put it to both the mayors of my shire and Tennant
> Creek.
> Here, by the way, I’m not just talking listers. Most birders have a wide
> range of interests, and many are travelling with a spouse as well.
> Denise
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 6:31 am, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
> Also my line Denise:
> Very polite advice on the power of this medium to spread the word and the
> risk of a "Birding and grey nomad" bypass as they give Winton a "why bother"
> just at the time when the severe drought needs visitors to support local
> businesses.
> Perhaps they have so many visitors stocking up before chasing Night Parrots
> that the don't really care?
> Graeme S
>
>
> From: Denise Goodfellow <>
> Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 6:23 AM
> To: Martin Butterfield
> Cc: Graeme Stevens; birding-aus; Michael Honeyman
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD I’m an ex-alderman (Darwin City
> Council) and know that this is the case for many issues. Which is why I took
> the tourism angle.
> Denise
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 5:28 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
> Welcome to the world of Local Government! What would get the Council's
> attention would be complaints from residents - preferably ones who pay a
> lot of rates - of the area. Outsiders jumping up and down can be safely
> ignored.
>
> Martin Butterfield
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> On 9 August 2018 at 21:52, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
>
> And no response to email.
>
> Graeme Stevens
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Greg
> and Val Clancy <>
> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 8:10 PM
> To: Michael Honeyman; Peter Shute
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>
> I agree that we shouldn’t 'shoot from the hip' but I am still awaiting a
> response from the Director of Works who promised to call me back days ago.
> I have followed up but to no avail. Not a good look.
>
> Greg Clancy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Honeyman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:27 PM
> To: Peter Shute
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>
> Very much depends on the site Peter!
>
> And to an extent also depends on who you ask. I’ve worked on jobs where
> previous advice given was along the lines of ‘fill it all in and build a
> big
> automated plant’ and been able to recommend minor changes that kept the
> lagoons in situ with minor modifications.
>
> That said vegetation to any significant degree usually risks the integrity
> of the lining of the pond, and whether 500 rhizomes or 250 rhizomes are
> starting to penetrate the liner is academic - they all have to come out to
> protect the liner.
>
> Another factor is that ponds (usually over many years) accumulate sludge as
> part of the way they operate and this needs to be periodically dug out one
> way or another. If the reeds are growing in the sludge then again, they
> have
> to come out.
>
> This is all speculation on my part of course, just trying to give some
> context as someone experienced in the design and operation of treatment
> lagoons before the birding community shoots from the hip at too many
> council
> employees. In the unique situation of being both qualified as an engineer
> and qualified as an ornithologist!
>
> mjh
>
> On 8 Aug 2018, at 20:52, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>
> Are compromises feasible, Mike? Eg just remove half the reeds?
>
> Peter Shute
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8 Aug 2018, at 6:47 am, mike.honeyman <>
> wrote:
>
> Hi allThere is mention of the 'old' treatment ponds, was this a current
> active treatment plant?
> Excessive vegetation in treatment lagoons is not condusive to their
> primary purpose - treating sewage - so if they were active lagoons there
> may have been a need to have removed the veg to ensure it was working
> effectively.I'm not personally familiar with this site, but have
> consulted on other sites where the lagoons had reeds encroaching and the
> reeds have generally had to go, birds or not.
> mjh
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