The manager of Leanyer SP was a good friend. He and other senior public
servants decided at one stage they would build a bird hide. They wanted to
name it after me but only if I agreed to have my ashes sprinkled in the Ponds.
Great people.
Denise
On 10 Aug 2018, at 12:29 pm, mike.honeyman <> wrote:
> And general health and safety risks and liabilities around open water, human
> health risks (wastewater), drinking water contamination risks (dams),
> unintentional interference with operations and so on and so on....
>
> Speaking from personal experience most water utilities would be happy to take
> the 'greenie points' of having facilities as an environmental and community
> benefit, but please try and have some sympathy with the difficulties often
> presented to acheiving this which is after all a 'nice to have', not a core
> function.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Denise Goodfellow <>
> Date: 10/8/18 12:41 pm (GMT+10:00)
> To: Martin Butterfield <>
> Cc: Graeme Stevens <>, birding-aus
> <>, Michael Honeyman
> <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>
> I know. According to a senior public servant one reason why access to
> facilities up here such as sewage ponds and Darwin River Dam is now so
> difficult is crocodiles. Another is a fear of terrorism.
>
>
> Denise
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 9:36 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
>
>> Its not just in the US. Some councils in NSW (I'm thinking of Lake
>> Cargelligo as the best example) who promote their used-water facilities as
>> birding sites and get a lot of people staying in their caravan sites and
>> spending $$ in the towns. Others Councils, including the equivalent mob
>> responsible for the ACT, seem blinkered in their consideration of more than
>> one use for these sites
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>>
>> On 10 August 2018 at 07:28, Denise Goodfellow <>
>> wrote:
>> Graeme, couldn’t agree more. But such attitudes towards birders are not
>> surprising. A couple of decades ago I put it to councils around the NT that
>> birders are a market they should target. In North America birding has been
>> the saviour of the economy of some small towns. There is still little
>> interest as I found when I put it to both the mayors of my shire and Tennant
>> Creek.
>>
>> Here, by the way, I’m not just talking listers. Most birders have a wide
>> range of interests, and many are travelling with a spouse as well.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 Aug 2018, at 6:31 am, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
>>
>>> Also my line Denise:
>>>
>>> Very polite advice on the power of this medium to spread the word and the
>>> risk of a "Birding and grey nomad" bypass as they give Winton a "why
>>> bother" just at the time when the severe drought needs visitors to support
>>> local businesses.
>>>
>>> Perhaps they have so many visitors stocking up before chasing Night Parrots
>>> that the don't really care?
>>>
>>> Graeme S
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Denise Goodfellow <>
>>> Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 6:23 AM
>>> To: Martin Butterfield
>>> Cc: Graeme Stevens; birding-aus; Michael Honeyman
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>>
>>> I’m an ex-alderman (Darwin City Council) and know that this is the case for
>>> many issues. Which is why I took the tourism angle.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> On 10 Aug 2018, at 5:28 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Welcome to the world of Local Government! What would get the Council's
>>>> attention would be complaints from residents - preferably ones who pay a
>>>> lot of rates - of the area. Outsiders jumping up and down can be safely
>>>> ignored.
>>>>
>>>> Martin Butterfield
>>>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>>>>
>>>> On 9 August 2018 at 21:52, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And no response to email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graeme Stevens
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Greg
>>>>> and Val Clancy <>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 8:10 PM
>>>>> To: Michael Honeyman; Peter Shute
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that we shouldn’t 'shoot from the hip' but I am still awaiting a
>>>>> response from the Director of Works who promised to call me back days ago.
>>>>> I have followed up but to no avail. Not a good look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Clancy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Honeyman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:27 PM
>>>>> To: Peter Shute
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>>>>
>>>>> Very much depends on the site Peter!
>>>>>
>>>>> And to an extent also depends on who you ask. I’ve worked on jobs where
>>>>> previous advice given was along the lines of ‘fill it all in and build a
>>>>> big
>>>>> automated plant’ and been able to recommend minor changes that kept the
>>>>> lagoons in situ with minor modifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said vegetation to any significant degree usually risks the integrity
>>>>> of the lining of the pond, and whether 500 rhizomes or 250 rhizomes are
>>>>> starting to penetrate the liner is academic - they all have to come out to
>>>>> protect the liner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another factor is that ponds (usually over many years) accumulate sludge
>>>>> as
>>>>> part of the way they operate and this needs to be periodically dug out one
>>>>> way or another. If the reeds are growing in the sludge then again, they
>>>>> have
>>>>> to come out.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is all speculation on my part of course, just trying to give some
>>>>> context as someone experienced in the design and operation of treatment
>>>>> lagoons before the birding community shoots from the hip at too many
>>>>> council
>>>>> employees. In the unique situation of being both qualified as an engineer
>>>>> and qualified as an ornithologist!
>>>>>
>>>>> mjh
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 Aug 2018, at 20:52, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are compromises feasible, Mike? Eg just remove half the reeds?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Shute
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 Aug 2018, at 6:47 am, mike.honeyman <>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi allThere is mention of the 'old' treatment ponds, was this a current
>>>>>>> active treatment plant?
>>>>>>> Excessive vegetation in treatment lagoons is not condusive to their
>>>>>>> primary purpose - treating sewage - so if they were active lagoons there
>>>>>>> may have been a need to have removed the veg to ensure it was working
>>>>>>> effectively.I'm not personally familiar with this site, but have
>>>>>>> consulted on other sites where the lagoons had reeds encroaching and the
>>>>>>> reeds have generally had to go, birds or not.
>>>>>>> mjh
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