It might just be worth reading the original post just a tad carefully.
It did refer to the "old" (i.e. no longer operating? disused? just resting?)
WTP which I assume to be the ponds on the right of the Highway leaving town to
the west?
The operating plant and ponds would be the settlement ponds and infrastructure
to the east of the town?
That of course makes no difference to the cause celebre status of the issue but
just might influence "conservation worth" considerations if I am correct.
That's enough for me folks - back to the birds and to see what influence the
drought is having on distributions locally.
Best to all and happy birding - wherever you can find it.
Graeme Stevens
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From: Nigel Sutherland <>
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 4:03 PM
To: mike.honeyman
Cc: Denise Goodfellow; Graeme Stevens; birding-aus; Michael Honeyman
Subject: Winton, QLD
Well said, Mike, I agree fully
Sent from my iPhone
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 6:15 am, mike.honeyman <> wrote:
>
> Perhaps they are collating and agreeing an appropriate response.
> Perhaps multiple emails to multiple departments has caused some additional
> discussion/ confusion/ debate about who should respond and on what basis.
> Perhaps they are more focused on the job they are paid to do so this is a
> lower priority.
> Perhaps they've dismissed it all as hot air from outsiders and put tge emails
> in their virtual trash cans.
> Of the million (at least!) environmental issues to be outraged about in
> Australia, right now let alone the world I'm amazed at the heat being
> generated by this one.
> I get the death by a thousand cuts thing, but seriously, this is an
> operational facility not a conservation reserve.
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Denise Goodfellow
> <> Date: 10/8/18 7:28 am (GMT+10:00) To: Graeme
> Stevens <> Cc: Martin Butterfield <>,
> birding-aus <>, Michael Honeyman
> <> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
> Graeme, couldn’t agree more. But such attitudes towards birders are not
> surprising. A couple of decades ago I put it to councils around the NT that
> birders are a market they should target. In North America birding has been
> the saviour of the economy of some small towns. There is still little
> interest as I found when I put it to both the mayors of my shire and Tennant
> Creek.
> Here, by the way, I’m not just talking listers. Most birders have a wide
> range of interests, and many are travelling with a spouse as well.
> Denise
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 6:31 am, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
> Also my line Denise:
> Very polite advice on the power of this medium to spread the word and the
> risk of a "Birding and grey nomad" bypass as they give Winton a "why bother"
> just at the time when the severe drought needs visitors to support local
> businesses.
> Perhaps they have so many visitors stocking up before chasing Night Parrots
> that the don't really care?
> Graeme S
>
>
> From: Denise Goodfellow <>
> Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 6:23 AM
> To: Martin Butterfield
> Cc: Graeme Stevens; birding-aus; Michael Honeyman
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD I’m an ex-alderman (Darwin City
> Council) and know that this is the case for many issues. Which is why I took
> the tourism angle.
> Denise
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 5:28 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
> Welcome to the world of Local Government! What would get the Council's
> attention would be complaints from residents - preferably ones who pay a
> lot of rates - of the area. Outsiders jumping up and down can be safely
> ignored.
>
> Martin Butterfield
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> On 9 August 2018 at 21:52, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
>
> And no response to email.
>
> Graeme Stevens
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Greg
> and Val Clancy <>
> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 8:10 PM
> To: Michael Honeyman; Peter Shute
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>
> I agree that we shouldn’t 'shoot from the hip' but I am still awaiting a
> response from the Director of Works who promised to call me back days ago.
> I have followed up but to no avail. Not a good look.
>
> Greg Clancy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Honeyman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:27 PM
> To: Peter Shute
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>
> Very much depends on the site Peter!
>
> And to an extent also depends on who you ask. I’ve worked on jobs where
> previous advice given was along the lines of ‘fill it all in and build a
> big
> automated plant’ and been able to recommend minor changes that kept the
> lagoons in situ with minor modifications.
>
> That said vegetation to any significant degree usually risks the integrity
> of the lining of the pond, and whether 500 rhizomes or 250 rhizomes are
> starting to penetrate the liner is academic - they all have to come out to
> protect the liner.
>
> Another factor is that ponds (usually over many years) accumulate sludge as
> part of the way they operate and this needs to be periodically dug out one
> way or another. If the reeds are growing in the sludge then again, they
> have
> to come out.
>
> This is all speculation on my part of course, just trying to give some
> context as someone experienced in the design and operation of treatment
> lagoons before the birding community shoots from the hip at too many
> council
> employees. In the unique situation of being both qualified as an engineer
> and qualified as an ornithologist!
>
> mjh
>
> On 8 Aug 2018, at 20:52, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>
> Are compromises feasible, Mike? Eg just remove half the reeds?
>
> Peter Shute
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8 Aug 2018, at 6:47 am, mike.honeyman <>
> wrote:
>
> Hi allThere is mention of the 'old' treatment ponds, was this a current
> active treatment plant?
> Excessive vegetation in treatment lagoons is not condusive to their
> primary purpose - treating sewage - so if they were active lagoons there
> may have been a need to have removed the veg to ensure it was working
> effectively.I'm not personally familiar with this site, but have
> consulted on other sites where the lagoons had reeds encroaching and the
> reeds have generally had to go, birds or not.
> mjh
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