Graeme, couldn’t agree more. But such attitudes towards birders are not
surprising. A couple of decades ago I put it to councils around the NT that
birders are a market they should target. In North America birding has been the
saviour of the economy of some small towns. There is still little interest as
I found when I put it to both the mayors of my shire and Tennant Creek.
Here, by the way, I’m not just talking listers. Most birders have a wide range
of interests, and many are travelling with a spouse as well.
Denise
On 10 Aug 2018, at 6:31 am, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
> Also my line Denise:
>
> Very polite advice on the power of this medium to spread the word and the
> risk of a "Birding and grey nomad" bypass as they give Winton a "why bother"
> just at the time when the severe drought needs visitors to support local
> businesses.
>
> Perhaps they have so many visitors stocking up before chasing Night Parrots
> that the don't really care?
>
> Graeme S
>
>
> From: Denise Goodfellow <>
> Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 6:23 AM
> To: Martin Butterfield
> Cc: Graeme Stevens; birding-aus; Michael Honeyman
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>
> I’m an ex-alderman (Darwin City Council) and know that this is the case for
> many issues. Which is why I took the tourism angle.
>
> Denise
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 5:28 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the world of Local Government! What would get the Council's
>> attention would be complaints from residents - preferably ones who pay a
>> lot of rates - of the area. Outsiders jumping up and down can be safely
>> ignored.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>>
>> On 9 August 2018 at 21:52, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
>>
>>> And no response to email.
>>>
>>> Graeme Stevens
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Greg
>>> and Val Clancy <>
>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 8:10 PM
>>> To: Michael Honeyman; Peter Shute
>>> Cc:
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>>
>>> I agree that we shouldn’t 'shoot from the hip' but I am still awaiting a
>>> response from the Director of Works who promised to call me back days ago.
>>> I have followed up but to no avail. Not a good look.
>>>
>>> Greg Clancy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Honeyman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:27 PM
>>> To: Peter Shute
>>> Cc:
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
>>>
>>> Very much depends on the site Peter!
>>>
>>> And to an extent also depends on who you ask. I’ve worked on jobs where
>>> previous advice given was along the lines of ‘fill it all in and build a
>>> big
>>> automated plant’ and been able to recommend minor changes that kept the
>>> lagoons in situ with minor modifications.
>>>
>>> That said vegetation to any significant degree usually risks the integrity
>>> of the lining of the pond, and whether 500 rhizomes or 250 rhizomes are
>>> starting to penetrate the liner is academic - they all have to come out to
>>> protect the liner.
>>>
>>> Another factor is that ponds (usually over many years) accumulate sludge as
>>> part of the way they operate and this needs to be periodically dug out one
>>> way or another. If the reeds are growing in the sludge then again, they
>>> have
>>> to come out.
>>>
>>> This is all speculation on my part of course, just trying to give some
>>> context as someone experienced in the design and operation of treatment
>>> lagoons before the birding community shoots from the hip at too many
>>> council
>>> employees. In the unique situation of being both qualified as an engineer
>>> and qualified as an ornithologist!
>>>
>>> mjh
>>>
>>>> On 8 Aug 2018, at 20:52, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are compromises feasible, Mike? Eg just remove half the reeds?
>>>>
>>>> Peter Shute
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Aug 2018, at 6:47 am, mike.honeyman <>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi allThere is mention of the 'old' treatment ponds, was this a current
>>>>> active treatment plant?
>>>>> Excessive vegetation in treatment lagoons is not condusive to their
>>>>> primary purpose - treating sewage - so if they were active lagoons there
>>>>> may have been a need to have removed the veg to ensure it was working
>>>>> effectively.I'm not personally familiar with this site, but have
>>>>> consulted on other sites where the lagoons had reeds encroaching and the
>>>>> reeds have generally had to go, birds or not.
>>>>> mjh
>>>>> null
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