Perhaps they are collating and agreeing an appropriate response.
Perhaps multiple emails to multiple departments has caused some additional
discussion/ confusion/ debate about who should respond and on what basis.
Perhaps they are more focused on the job they are paid to do so this is a lower
priority.
Perhaps they've dismissed it all as hot air from outsiders and put tge emails
in their virtual trash cans.
Of the million (at least!) environmental issues to be outraged about in
Australia, right now let alone the world I'm amazed at the heat being generated
by this one.
I get the death by a thousand cuts thing, but seriously, this is an operational
facility not a conservation reserve.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Denise Goodfellow
<> Date: 10/8/18 7:28 am (GMT+10:00) To: Graeme
Stevens <> Cc: Martin Butterfield <>,
birding-aus <>, Michael Honeyman
<> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
Graeme, couldn’t agree more. But such attitudes towards birders are not
surprising. A couple of decades ago I put it to councils around the NT that
birders are a market they should target. In North America birding has been the
saviour of the economy of some small towns. There is still little interest as
I found when I put it to both the mayors of my shire and Tennant Creek.
Here, by the way, I’m not just talking listers. Most birders have a wide range
of interests, and many are travelling with a spouse as well.
Denise
On 10 Aug 2018, at 6:31 am, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
Also my line Denise:
Very polite advice on the power of this medium to spread the word and the risk
of a "Birding and grey nomad" bypass as they give Winton a "why bother" just at
the time when the severe drought needs visitors to support local businesses.
Perhaps they have so many visitors stocking up before chasing Night Parrots
that the don't really care?
Graeme S
From: Denise Goodfellow <>
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 6:23 AM
To: Martin Butterfield
Cc: Graeme Stevens; birding-aus; Michael Honeyman
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD I’m an ex-alderman (Darwin City Council)
and know that this is the case for many issues. Which is why I took the
tourism angle.
Denise
On 10 Aug 2018, at 5:28 am, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
Welcome to the world of Local Government! What would get the Council's
attention would be complaints from residents - preferably ones who pay a
lot of rates - of the area. Outsiders jumping up and down can be safely
ignored.
Martin Butterfield
http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
On 9 August 2018 at 21:52, Graeme Stevens <> wrote:
And no response to email.
Graeme Stevens
________________________________
From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Greg
and Val Clancy <>
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 8:10 PM
To: Michael Honeyman; Peter Shute
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
I agree that we shouldn’t 'shoot from the hip' but I am still awaiting a
response from the Director of Works who promised to call me back days ago.
I have followed up but to no avail. Not a good look.
Greg Clancy
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Honeyman
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:27 PM
To: Peter Shute
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Winton, QLD
Very much depends on the site Peter!
And to an extent also depends on who you ask. I’ve worked on jobs where
previous advice given was along the lines of ‘fill it all in and build a
big
automated plant’ and been able to recommend minor changes that kept the
lagoons in situ with minor modifications.
That said vegetation to any significant degree usually risks the integrity
of the lining of the pond, and whether 500 rhizomes or 250 rhizomes are
starting to penetrate the liner is academic - they all have to come out to
protect the liner.
Another factor is that ponds (usually over many years) accumulate sludge as
part of the way they operate and this needs to be periodically dug out one
way or another. If the reeds are growing in the sludge then again, they
have
to come out.
This is all speculation on my part of course, just trying to give some
context as someone experienced in the design and operation of treatment
lagoons before the birding community shoots from the hip at too many
council
employees. In the unique situation of being both qualified as an engineer
and qualified as an ornithologist!
mjh
On 8 Aug 2018, at 20:52, Peter Shute <> wrote:
Are compromises feasible, Mike? Eg just remove half the reeds?
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Aug 2018, at 6:47 am, mike.honeyman <>
wrote:
Hi allThere is mention of the 'old' treatment ponds, was this a current
active treatment plant?
Excessive vegetation in treatment lagoons is not condusive to their
primary purpose - treating sewage - so if they were active lagoons there
may have been a need to have removed the veg to ensure it was working
effectively.I'm not personally familiar with this site, but have
consulted on other sites where the lagoons had reeds encroaching and the
reeds have generally had to go, birds or not.
mjh
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