Academics v birdwatchers

To: "Bob Green" <>
Subject: Academics v birdwatchers
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:50:15 +1100
Bob et al,

There seems to be a rapidly growing "Dumb Pride" movement rapidly growing world-wide, which seems to have originated in a certain western hemisphere country. The aim of the movement is the "dumbing down" society, so bringing a new form of civilisation, "Idiocracy" ( as seen in the movie of that name ). I imagine that we will see the old adage "ignorance is bliss" will soon become the mainstream lifestyle.

Ah, that is better, who needs Andrews Liver Salts.


Carl Clifford

On 01/03/2010, at 7:00 PM, Bob Green wrote:

As someone who has attended the last two Australasian Ornithological Conferences, and not myself being an academic, I found the attendees approachable, willing to help and offer advice, friendly, ready for a chat and a drink, and a whole lot of fun. And to enjoy a field trip with some of the countries best field ornithologists is worth the trip on its own. I think the point is being missed in all this discussion on the "barrier" between academics and "birdwatchers". I think the only people building Great Walls of China to keep the rabbits out are the mis-informed or plain ignorant who don't seem to understand that we are all interested in the same things and that some of these academics are amongst the countries best birdwatchers, and that some of the real grass roots knowledge about bird behaviour is gathered by amateurs. I suggest we get back to what is important and stop the relentless, constant, repetitive niggling that makes being part of being in a bird group like this bluntly a "BORE", if you don't like birdwatchers, then don't go birdwatching, if you don't like academics then don't read journals or attend conferences. I don't like Top 40 music much so I don't listen to the radio, pretty easy really.

Bob Green

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