Yes, I know, but if someone is going to help out interpreting what he
means, it is probably you.
I am not attacking any body, or any view, just trying to keep up a
process that I like in terms that I can understand.
Klas.
At 02:49 2012-09-07, you wrote:
>Klas, I wasn't specifically defending or embracing Cage. The issue was
>his reflections on sound on his 100th. That's one I remember that
>specifically relates to "nature" recording however it was framed
>linguistically/philosophically/culturally/agenda-wise. His words. Not
>mine. His thoughts. Not mine. We argued and disagreed about many
>things...sometimes publicly and with some volatility. I've expressed
>my thoughts elsewhere and, as the late Ed Abbey once said, "I stand
>for what I stand on."
>
>BK
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>
> > Bernie,
> > there is a substance in this philosophical discussion, but I feel
> > that the beauty of the intellectual language hides the beauty of the
> > message itself... hmmm. (Cage would have liked that..)
> >
> > Digits on a memory card are dead, as I see it. They are dead, and we
> > have put them there because we have ways to make them "come alive" in
> > a way that makes sense to our remembering of what it sounded in real
> > life. (If we were there and could feed our brain with such a memory,
> > that is.)
> >
> > What other people will hear, who were not there, is a totally
> > different story.
> >
> > Platon saw a danger in the written word, as - if writing down things
> > for later use - it would degrade our ways to memorize. He was right.
> > I never memorize things any more. There is always Google...
> > But has all my recording work in my garden made me forget what it
> > really sounds like?
> > Are my attempts to create a microphone that I love, "a vision of
> > paralysis and death"?
> > Hope not.
> >
> > Lawrence Johnson and Michael Dalton,
> >
> > what are your comments on this?
> >
> > Klas.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 00:19 2012-09-07, you wrote:
> >> Afraid you'll need to conjure up Cage for an answer to that one. I'm
> >> only channeling him.
> >>
> >> Bernie
> >>
> >> On Sep 6, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't really get all this philosophical stuff, so maybe I
> >>> shouldn't comment, but recordings don't sound paralysed and dead to
> >>> me, not even bad ones, let alone "a vision of paralysis and death".
> >>> Definitely not the latter - the moment might have gone, but the
> >>> creatures making the sounds weren't dead at the time. I don't know
> >>> what "speaks to a vision ..." means. Can someone explain?
> >>>
> >>> I suppose they're paralysed in the sense of never changing, and
> >>> they're certainly not live, even if they might sound like they are,
> >>> but so what if no one's saying they are?
> >>>
> >>> Peter Shute
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From:
> >>>> On Behalf Of Tony
> >>>> Whitehead
> >>>> Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 1:54 AM
> >>>> To:
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] RE: Cage 100
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it attempts to present moments that are past - "dead" - in a
> >>>> fixed
> >>>> manner through a recording that can be repaeted continually without
> >>>> change
> >>>> - "paralyised" - that Cage refers to in that intriguing last
> >>>> sentence?
> >>>> If
> >>>> so, I think I might have some sympathy with that view.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Bernie Krause
> >>>> <>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> John Cage had views on many issues re sound, music, and our
> >>>>> acoustic
> >>>>> world. For instance, his take on natural sound recording: In 1989,
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> a soundscape conference hosted by Skywalker Sound (LucasFilm),
> >>>>> Cage
> >>>>> was asked for his impressions of those creating "nature" sound
> >>>>> albums
> >>>>> who claim to be "purists," meaning they assert that they don't
> >>>>> edit.
> >>>>> Cage thought for a moment, then responded tersely and rather
> >>>>> disparagingly, "Found art," he sniffed. "That's because all true
> >>>>> artists know that germane to their respective crafts is
> >>>>> transformation: the inspired conversion of sound or image from one
> >>>>> medium to another, or ideas from mind to page -- ultimate
> >>>>> expressions
> >>>>> far more resounding than the sources from which they spring. It is
> >>>>> through the process of insurgency that art in any medium obliges
> >>>>> insight into the numinous and improbable. Transformation is the
> >>>>> key to
> >>>>> life and [its expression through] art, the real mystery of
> >>>>> creative
> >>>>> nature. Attempts to replicate or capture aspects of the natural
> >>>>> world
> >>>>> without amendment speak clearly to a vision of paralysis and
> >>>>> death."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bernie Krause
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 6, 2012, at 5:33 AM, Michael Dalton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Howdy!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just a short note about John Cage.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nearly fifty (wow, fifty!) years ago, John Cage presented a
> >>>>>> program
> >>>>>> at the college I attended in the upstate hills of New York.
> >>>>>> Several
> >>>>>> people walked out. I listened as he began with a script and then
> >>>>>> started a series of recordings on several tape recorders. It
> >>>>>> was an
> >>>>>> existential program, which like many works of art, took a while
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> digest.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While I was not an arts student, the experimental approach was
> >>>>>> appreciated by this science student. I continue to experiment
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>> sound.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For those of you who recognize my signature as well as others,
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> means listening to recordings of spontaneous speech by talking
> >>>>>> birds. Following Cage's lead, I have discovered meaning in many
> >>>>>> recordings, because, believe it or not, many parrots are learning
> >>>>>> language. Several years ago, I would be laughed off the stage.
> >>>>>> Thanks to pioneers like Cage, I have been able to be heard at
> >>>>>> scientific and general "art" gatherings to understand the mind of
> >>>>>> another species through recorded speech. Thank you Professor
> >>>>>> Cage!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>> Florida
> >>>>>> http://www.parrotspeech.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cage 100
> >>>>>> Wed Sep 5, 2012 5:26 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> >>>>>> "Mark" seoulgypsy
> >>>>>> Fowarding this fantastic work by Lawrence Johnson
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Happy hundredth birthday, John Cage. Congratulations to all who
> >>>>>> knew
> >>>>>> and/or learned from this wonderful man.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To commemorate this day, I wrote some short texts. I hope it's
> >>>>>> okay
> >>>>>> to share one with you-- a verbal "passacaglia"-- and provide a
> >>>>>> link
> >>>>>> to the others.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> =3DLawrence Johnson
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >>>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> >>>>>> Krause.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >>>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> >>>> Krause.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >>>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> >>>> Krause.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> >>> Krause.
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Wild Sanctuary
> >> POB 536
> >> Glen Ellen, CA 95442
> >> 707-996-6677
> >> http://www.wildsanctuary.com
> >>
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> >> Twitter:
> >> http://www.twitter.com/berniekrause
> >> YouTube:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/BernieKrauseTV
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> >> Krause.
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
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> > email:
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> > Krause.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>Wild Sanctuary
>POB 536
>Glen Ellen, CA 95442
>707-996-6677
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>
>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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