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Re: mkh20-edirol R4 problem revisited

Subject: Re: mkh20-edirol R4 problem revisited
From: Klas Strandberg <>
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:45:36 +0200
To clarify: I',m not talking about two mic's out of phase with one another,=

but of each one single membrane hit by so many reflections, - so strong -
that both mic's work in a total mess.

If the other two mic's which Romilly used were directional (I don't know
that...? ) -then they will perform much better!

Klas.


>I have listened to Romilly's recordings and I can't hear any other reason
>for the "tin-can sound"  than that the two omnis were placed in a very
>unlucky situation, where out of phase reflections ruined it all.
>
>I still think I have on a white paper at my site, something about that "a
>microphone can only "hear" what is happening at the membrane.
>NOT something far away or "as it sounds" for a pair of human ears close by=
.
>Omnis are not made for music recordings, unless very special and well know=
n
>conditions.
>
>The MKH mic's need more current than most other phantom powered mic's, and
>it makes me pissed if Edirol and others cannot supply a "decent" phantom
>power. What happens if I come up with a really good Telinga design, runnin=
g
>perfectly on phantom power, but not with a Edirol or whatever new design?
>I think I have had enough trouble finding out a special design of the
>EM23's, just because Sony HiMD's provide too low Plug In Power current.
>
>But I can hardly believe that a too low phantom power would cause the
>effect heard on Romilly's recordings.
>
>But who knows for sure?
>
>Klas.
>
>
>
>At 16:41 2006-04-08, you wrote:
> >That mkh's will usually run on lower phantom
> >voltage also supports Volker's assessment.
> >Romilly, do you have two pairs of mics you can
> >rotate between the R-4's four inputs? You might
> >be able to get another pair of mics sounding bad.
> >If so, then route the bad pair through an
> >external pre into the R-4's line inputs and see
> >if it goes away. You might have to load it up
> >with four mics. One would think that large
> >diaphragm mics would be the first to reveal poor
> >performance associated with phantom powering
> >current. Rob D.
> >
> >   =3D =3D =3D
> >
> >At 9:37 AM +0200 4/8/06, Volker Widmann wrote:
> > >Hi Romillyh,
> > >
> > >I have both an Edirol R-4 and two Sennheiser MKH20 and have never had
> > >any of the problems you describe.
> > >
> > >I also have a pair of Audio Technica AT3032 which sound good, but the
> > >MKH20 are far superior.
> > >
> > >I do not have any A-B comparison samples, but I can assure you that I
> > >can not confirm your experiences.
> > >
> > >I have never had them sound like old tin boxes :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >Volker
> > >
> > >
> > >Romilly Hambling schrieb:
> > >
> > >>Sorry to disappear - was down in the Kentish bush away from my
> > >>computer and means to do website.
> > >>
> > >>It does seem there may be a problem using the Sennheiser MKH 20 with
> > >>the Edirol R4 recorder. The mics were perfectly ok with a Portadisc
> > >>but the problem recurred with the R4 despite a change of leads and
> > >>batteries.
> > >>
> > >>My three other mics work fine with the R4: AT 3032, Rode NT1-A and
> > >>Telinga Stereo DAT.
> > >>
> > >>For anyone who can bear it I've set out samples on my Sennheiser page
> > >>in a way that I hope will allow those more expert than myself to
> > >>eliminate various possible explanations. The samples are all new
> > >>(including a couple of bird ones along with the musical stuff) and ma=
y
> > >>give a little pleasure and entertainment in return for the kind
> > >>interest of those who venture there! The url is as before:
> > >>
> > >>http://www.godsownclay.com/Microphones/sennheisermkh20.html
> > >>
> > >>Only recommended for broadband users. Unfortunately that's all I can
> > >>do on the mkh 20s for now as I've had to return them - tant pis. Mayb=
e
> > >>someone else can hitch a pair to a R4 and see what happens?? It'd be
> > >>good/bad to know if mine is malfunctioning.
> > >>
> > >>romillyh
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>"Microphones are not ears,
> > >>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> > >>A listening room is not nature."
> > >>Klas Strandberg
> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >"Microphones are not ears,
> > >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> > >A listening room is not nature."
> > >Klas Strandberg
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rob Danielson
> >Film Department
> >University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
>S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
>Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
>email: 
>         
>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>




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