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Re: mkh20-edirol R4 problem revisited

Subject: Re: mkh20-edirol R4 problem revisited
From: Klas Strandberg <>
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:27:29 +0200
I have listened to Romilly's recordings and I can't hear any other reason
for the "tin-can sound"  than that the two omnis were placed in a very
unlucky situation, where out of phase reflections ruined it all.

I still think I have on a white paper at my site, something about that "a
microphone can only "hear" what is happening at the membrane.
NOT something far away or "as it sounds" for a pair of human ears close by.
Omnis are not made for music recordings, unless very special and well known=

conditions.

The MKH mic's need more current than most other phantom powered mic's, and=

it makes me pissed if Edirol and others cannot supply a "decent" phantom
power. What happens if I come up with a really good Telinga design, running=

perfectly on phantom power, but not with a Edirol or whatever new design?
I think I have had enough trouble finding out a special design of the
EM23's, just because Sony HiMD's provide too low Plug In Power current.

But I can hardly believe that a too low phantom power would cause the
effect heard on Romilly's recordings.

But who knows for sure?

Klas.



At 16:41 2006-04-08, you wrote:
>That mkh's will usually run on lower phantom
>voltage also supports Volker's assessment.
>Romilly, do you have two pairs of mics you can
>rotate between the R-4's four inputs? You might
>be able to get another pair of mics sounding bad.
>If so, then route the bad pair through an
>external pre into the R-4's line inputs and see
>if it goes away. You might have to load it up
>with four mics. One would think that large
>diaphragm mics would be the first to reveal poor
>performance associated with phantom powering
>current. Rob D.
>
>   =3D =3D =3D
>
>At 9:37 AM +0200 4/8/06, Volker Widmann wrote:
> >Hi Romillyh,
> >
> >I have both an Edirol R-4 and two Sennheiser MKH20 and have never had
> >any of the problems you describe.
> >
> >I also have a pair of Audio Technica AT3032 which sound good, but the
> >MKH20 are far superior.
> >
> >I do not have any A-B comparison samples, but I can assure you that I
> >can not confirm your experiences.
> >
> >I have never had them sound like old tin boxes :-)
> >
> >
> >Volker
> >
> >
> >Romilly Hambling schrieb:
> >
> >>Sorry to disappear - was down in the Kentish bush away from my
> >>computer and means to do website.
> >>
> >>It does seem there may be a problem using the Sennheiser MKH 20 with
> >>the Edirol R4 recorder. The mics were perfectly ok with a Portadisc
> >>but the problem recurred with the R4 despite a change of leads and
> >>batteries.
> >>
> >>My three other mics work fine with the R4: AT 3032, Rode NT1-A and
> >>Telinga Stereo DAT.
> >>
> >>For anyone who can bear it I've set out samples on my Sennheiser page
> >>in a way that I hope will allow those more expert than myself to
> >>eliminate various possible explanations. The samples are all new
> >>(including a couple of bird ones along with the musical stuff) and may
> >>give a little pleasure and entertainment in return for the kind
> >>interest of those who venture there! The url is as before:
> >>
> >>http://www.godsownclay.com/Microphones/sennheisermkh20.html
> >>
> >>Only recommended for broadband users. Unfortunately that's all I can
> >>do on the mkh 20s for now as I've had to return them - tant pis. Maybe
> >>someone else can hitch a pair to a R4 and see what happens?? It'd be
> >>good/bad to know if mine is malfunctioning.
> >>
> >>romillyh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>A listening room is not nature."
> >>Klas Strandberg
> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>Rob Danielson
>Film Department
>University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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