From: "Rich Peet" <>
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> I would take polite exception to a few points you made.
We can agree to disagree.
> I don't know who first ran into the 183 as a stand alone md mic but
> if I was to guess it was not a taper but likely Dan Dugan of here.
> Robs who has been working with this mic has availability to an
> extensive collection of mics and he records quieter stuff than I do.
However, the note on here was about how the MicDIY group had done
extensive discussion about the mic.
Yes, as far as I can remember, Dan mentioned his setup several times
before anyone became interested.
> For MD use the 183 as described comes in at $100.00 a mic. That is
> not close to being in the price bracket of mkh20's or the ME-62. No
> thanks on used me-62's or mkh-20's from ebay I am still working to
> calibrate and repair e-bay mkh-110's.
If I remember correctly, you got your first mkh-110 off a ebay auction
and then tried to corner the market in mkh-110's though a non-ebay
private deal. As many as you bought from a supply that had sat on a
shelf all the years since new, it's not too surprising some were not
fully functional. The 5 MKH-110's I have, all bought from ebay auctions
from the same source are just fine. So are the 9 other MKH mics I got
off ebay. From numerous sources.
I have watched ebay for the 183's, or did so for a while. If cheap
enough I considered playing with them. However, of the several auctions
I saw for them none went for under $250. Maybe it was just the
particular time and normally they go cheaper. I got my matched pair of
MKH-20's for $600 each. Excellent, looked unused, condition. ME-62's in
apparent good condition I've seen auctions go as low as $50 for them
with the K6. Though most go a bit higher.
> I have spent a little time with the 183 now and the sensitivity
> compared to the me-62 is very close. The noise level is close as
> well with the me-62 having a very slight edge. But the 183 is much
> more of an omni than the me-62 is, and does not suffer from the boomy
> bottom end or artificial (narrow) sounding bass that is heard in the
> me-62. It is brighter and more transparent than the me-62. I have 5
> years experience with me-62's and at first listen I suspect I am
> converting my dishes over to the 183's.
Each person does what their ears like.
> Nature Recordists have a good following in the Micbuilders group and
> there no longer is just a core group of concert tapers there. In
> fact if there was any one largest group right now it would be close
> between the engineers and the hobby builders. We continue to see
> growth in the international group of new members joining as well. I
> say that as I am the one who approves the new members on that group.
I know it's now your group.
Concert tapers or not, they talk like them. A great many still seem to
think the most important characteristic of a mic is how loud a sound it
can stand. The mainstay of the group is still panasonic capsules or the
equivalent.
There are certainly some in that group who are very expert. And some
that record outdoor subjects. Of those more would be like the
phonography folks than nature recordists. Unless nature recording is now
the place for those mixing compositions, which is what is the
characteristic of the phonography group that caused them to split away
from naturrecordists.
> Maybe someone with a me102 can comment on that mic as I do not own
> one and do not even know if the fet is in the k6 or in the capsule.
While the ME102 can be run through the K6 phantom system, it's primarily
designed to work with the SK50 wireless transmitter. It definitely does
not depend on a fet in the K6. I do not get the impression that
Sennheiser considers it part of the K6 system. More like a system of
mics (it's one of three) that are for wireless use.
As I noted, I believe it's sensitivity would be less than the Shure, but
it's self noise the same or slightly less.
I don't have one, have never used one.
Walt
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