I think the key is the last paragraph - I don't think anyone would have
"objection" to someone deliberately taking a photo of a bird and then
identifying it later from the picture - you knew you saw the bird and this
is just helping clarify matters.
But I seem to recall the whole point of the thread was someone seeing a bird
in a photograph that they did NOT know would be there.
It is all down to personal taste I suppose - I could argue that if I am
looking at a wetland full of birds I am "seeing" all of them and if someone
says there is a rare wader in the corner I don't actually need to focus my
scope on it - I can after all see it as a small dot amongst thousands of
others. But I certainly would not want to claim a bird under those
conditions...
On 09/05/07, L&L Knight <> wrote:
If you have photographed a bird, then you have seen it. You can pick
up things in photos that you don't in the field, and conversely, you
can pick up things in the field that you don't in photos.
The military, geoscientists and natural resource managers etc are able
to locate and identify targets/features of interest from aerial
photographs. What is the difference to birdwatchers who identify birds
from photographs they have taken. Where only brief glimpses are
available, it may only be possible to positively identify a bird from a
picture in hand.
As to the matter of "ethics", the case for claiming a tick when the
bird is to the side/in the background [ie not at the "heart" / focal
point of the photo] is not as clear cut as the case for claiming a tick
when the bird is at the centre of attention.
Regards, Laurie.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of David Stowe
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2007 9:46 PM
> To: Birding-aus Aus
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Black Noddy ethics
>
> Some of you may have read my recent posts about a trip to Michelmas
> Cay last week and the fact that i didn't see any Black Noddy's.
> Well I am just going through my photos in more detail and i have
> found a Black Noddy in a photo!!
> Does it count as a tick or not??
> I know Bob Inglis has an opinion on this as he was in a similar
> predicament recently whilst photographing Stints and finding a
> Sanderling later (which was potentially a tick) in the background of
> his photos. I have heard people's thoughts on that situation from
> OZbirdpix but would be interested in what the Birding-Aus community
> reckons?
> I was admittedly taking alot of photos of the Noddy's in case i had
> missed a Black one - there were only about a million to look at!!! So
> it wasn't like I wasn't aware of the situation. I was indeed
> specifically looking for them.
> For those interested it was on one of the reef cruise tender boats
> moored just off the Cay. This was also the reason i was photographing
> the birds on the boat as it was hard to use bins from the front of a
> tinny! (No i'm not any good on pelagic trips either!)
> Interested to hear people's thoughts.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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