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Black Noddy ethics

To: "Tim Murphy" <>
Subject: Black Noddy ethics
From: "Dave Torr" <>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:13:57 +1000
Were they cooking the Chough????

On 10/05/07, Tim Murphy <> wrote:

The whole idea becomes a mess when you think of it. What about images
through night vision scopes, TV cameras. What about setting up a TV camera
on Macquarie Island and looking at the images on your TV screen at home?

I keep a separate mental list of birds I have seen on TV, but have a rule
I
only count ones which were casual background, not nature shows.

Thus the list contains Alpine (aka Yellow-billed) Chough, seen recently on
an SBS cooking show. A virtual twitch?

I think my dead hurts.

Tim Murphy

I have a horrible vision, say computers improve as much during the next 50
years as they did in the last. Will they take become intelligent enough to
take up hobbies (if intelligent is the right word)? Birdwatuching?  . How
do
twitchers compete with something the size of a mobile phone which may be
able to bolt on some wings and fly?

My head hurts some more - lets drop this.

-----Original Message-----
From: 
 Behalf Of Ian May
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2007 3:55 PM
To: L&L Knight
Cc: 'Birding-aus Aus'
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Black Noddy ethics


g'Day all

The discussion about ticking birds from a photograph led me to ponder,
how long will it be before technology integrates an image from
binoculars, scope or camera with an electronic recognition program.  Add
radar signature and sound connected to a Telstra newG mobile phone with
GPS and fast labor broadband and "bingo", us twitchers could be left out
of the loop.

Regards



Ian May

St Helens, Tasmania 7216

0428337956
0363761966


L&L Knight wrote:

> If you have photographed a bird, then you have seen it.  You can pick
> up things in photos that you don't in the field, and conversely, you
> can pick up things in the field that you don't in photos.
>
> The military, geoscientists and natural resource managers etc are able
> to locate and identify targets/features of interest from aerial
> photographs.  What is the difference to birdwatchers who identify
> birds from photographs they have taken.  Where only brief glimpses are
> available, it may only be possible to positively identify a bird from
> a picture in hand.
>
> As to the matter of "ethics", the case for claiming a tick when the
> bird is to the side/in the background [ie not at the "heart" / focal
> point of the photo] is not as clear cut as the case for claiming a
> tick when the bird is at the centre of attention.
>
> Regards, Laurie.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 
>>  On Behalf Of David Stowe
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2007 9:46 PM
>> To: Birding-aus Aus
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Black Noddy ethics
>>
>> Some of you may have read my recent posts about a trip to Michelmas
>> Cay last week and the fact that i didn't see any Black Noddy's.
>> Well I am just going through my photos in more detail and i have
>> found a Black Noddy in a photo!!
>> Does it count as a tick or not??
>> I know Bob Inglis has an opinion on this as he was in a similar
>> predicament recently whilst photographing Stints and finding a
>> Sanderling later (which was potentially a tick) in the background of
>> his photos. I have heard people's thoughts on that situation from
>> OZbirdpix but would be interested in what the Birding-Aus community
>> reckons?
>> I was admittedly taking alot of photos of the Noddy's in case i had
>> missed a Black one - there were only about a million to look at!!! So
>> it wasn't like I wasn't aware of the situation. I was indeed
>> specifically looking for them.
>> For those interested it was on one of the reef cruise tender boats
>> moored just off the Cay. This was also the reason i was photographing
>> the birds on the boat as it was hard to use bins from the front of a
>> tinny! (No i'm not any good on pelagic trips either!)
>> Interested to hear people's thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
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