Very nicely said Dave. You truly deserve the last word.
All I can say is - whether a particular bird is or is not a tick -
WRGAS! ( ..........thats code for "who really gives a sh.....! )
Happy birding
David Taylor
Brisbane
On 10/05/2007, at 8:23 PM, David Stowe wrote:
Well I have been prosecuted by the punctuation police, dobbed in by
the definition detectives, and bludgeoned by the birdwatching big
wigs! Not to mention let off by the loose liberal listers!
Thanks all for the interesting discussion. (even if some did take
it a tad too seriously).
It has made me think and digest alot of things.
My personal summary from all this is:
My Aus life list stands at 510. (potentially large enough to be
accused of cheating??).
Whether that includes Black Noddy or not is (i realise now)
irrelevant as it is (as many have said) just a number and gives
absolutely no indication of what i am like as a person or indeed
what birdwatching actually means to me personally. It also has no
bearing on how helpful i am to others on the list and beyond or
what i do to increase awareness of birds in the community.
I love "birdwatching" and what the word means to me.
If you meet me in the bush, i'll be the one with a camera, a
noteboook, and a great big smile.
Enjoy the birds friends. I know i will.
Cheers
Dave
PS - for some more photos of Noddies check out my new bird image
website
http://pbase.com/davidstowe
Hope the photos bring you joy.
On 10/05/2007, at 5:06 PM, Philip Veerman wrote:
Hi all. I am amazed how much interest this has raised. My reaction
to the subject was: why should a Black Noddy have any ethics, that
is a new one on me. So I read it.
Dave asked a reasonable question but then labelled it as a matter
of ethics! I don't think it has anything to do with ethics. The
subject matter is personal bird lists. This is something that is
each person's choice. I question how that can that be as important
as ethics. To me it matters not what I or another person thinks,
about how Dave maintains his list. So I would say to him, make
your own rules. The issue to me is what learning experience and
emotive pleasure he gets from the observation. Also whether it
matters to us if the Black Noddy gets included on his list on that
particular day (there will be other days and other birds). I
perceive from his story a situation of humour or irony. If he is
doing a serious survey and the identification is clear, of course
it goes on his data list. It may be that the telling of the story
and the amusement value it creates is more important to him than a
simple observation. It has certainly created more chat on this
line than a simple observation. Are some of us confused about the
fun and random luck parts of the hobby and the serious data
collection and study and conservation parts? They have separate
outcomes and we shouldn't get too serious about the inevitable
interconnections.
One thing I do care about though is to make the point that the
plural of Noddy is Noddies (or even by stretch of grammar, Noddys)
It is not however and never could be Noddy's (which is of course
incomprehensible if intended as a plural).
Philip
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of David Stowe
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2007 9:46 PM
To: Birding-aus Aus
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Black Noddy ethics
Some of you may have read my recent posts about a trip to Michelmas
Cay last week and the fact that i didn't see any Black Noddy's.
Well I am just going through my photos in more detail and i have
found a Black Noddy in a photo!!
Does it count as a tick or not??
I know Bob Inglis has an opinion on this as he was in a similar
predicament recently whilst photographing Stints and finding a
Sanderling later (which was potentially a tick) in the
background of
his photos. I have heard people's thoughts on that situation from
OZbirdpix but would be interested in what the Birding-Aus community
reckons?
I was admittedly taking alot of photos of the Noddy's in case i had
missed a Black one - there were only about a million to look
at!!! So
it wasn't like I wasn't aware of the situation. I was indeed
specifically looking for them.
For those interested it was on one of the reef cruise tender boats
moored just off the Cay. This was also the reason i was
photographing
the birds on the boat as it was hard to use bins from the front
of a
tinny! (No i'm not any good on pelagic trips either!)
Interested to hear people's thoughts.
Cheers
Dave
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