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Subject: Re: mbho MBP 648 PZ
From: "Rob Danielson" danielson_audio
Date: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:38 am ((PDT))
At 6:36 PM +0200 7/14/10, emil klotzsch wrote:
>folks, i talked to mr. haun today.
>i asked him about the 7db(A). he was surprised and said that this is a
>mistake. the capsule is the ka400.
>and the capsule should have 11db(A).
>
>i also asked why the cardioids have a better selfnoise than the omnis.=A0
>he said that those low noise levels are hard to messure (??)
>and that hes not sure about some single dbs... whatever that means.
>
>rob- do you have meassured the KA100? i think they say it have 14db(A)=A0
>of selfnoise. correct?
>
>Am 14.07.2010 um 08:38 schrieb Rob Danielson:
>
>>  Emil--
>>  I own KA100 DK omnis that I use with a 603 (A)
>>  XLR pre. The MBHO specs for that pair seem about
>>  right. The 603 pre specs with higher output and
>>  less noise than the 648 pre. It does look
>>  possible that the KA400 specs closer to 11db(A),
>>  not 7dB(A) self-noise and only with the quieter
>  > pre, not the 648 described. Rob D.
>  >

Hi Emil--

Too bad. At least there are no mysteries.

Its my understanding that the measurement of mic
self-noise _is_ difficult to do, especially in
useful, perceptual terms for demanding
applications.

Even when the numbers are very accurate, the
coloration of the self-noise and the noise
masking abilities of the sound subjects are large
"quality" factors that are much easier to hear
than put into numbers.  All I know to do is to
compare the gear combinations in question in
appropriate field conditions and judge the
results by ear.

Yes, the 14dB(A) self-noise figure for my
603/KA100 D's seemed realistic to me based on an
early comparison test I made with an mkh-40 [12
dB(A)], a CAD-179 [optimistic 11 dB(A)] and maybe
an AKG-414.  I also remember that the sensitivity
rating of 12 mV/Pa seemed too low in comparison
to the other mics in this sensitivity range.  I'd
characterize the KA100 D's self-noise coloration
as mostly above 4KHz and their overall tonal
balance as "bright" compared to other popular
omnis like the MKH-20 and AT3032/4022's.  Rob D.




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