I would add that unless you have a reason to vary the stereo width=20
through the MS matrix on the 722, set your width control to 1:1,=20
which I believe now is right up the center. If you turn the bottom=20
knob all the way to the left, you'll be in effect putting the mono=20
signal on both channels. All the way to the right, and you'll be=20
putting the side mic only across both channels. THey've changed this=20
since an earlier firmware, but I think that's correct.
Pot 1 adjusts overall levels for both mics, and pot 2 adjust the=20
stereo width.
On Oct 1, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Ed Anson wrote:
> Natalie,
>
> Your setup should work very well for what you're doing.
>
> The linked 1/2+MS decodes the mic inputs to normal (L/R) stereo, which
> is probably what you want.
>
> I'm not sure either about the difference between "monitor AB or Track
> AB". But given your linking setup you want to set HP for AB=20
> (without MS
> decoding).
>
> Here is a bit more general description of your options and how they
> work:
>
> If you record with input linking set to AB (not MS) then you will
> record the mid signal (cardioid) to channel A and the side signal
> (figure 8) to channel B. That requires that you use the MS HP option
> when recording and playing back, and also requires that you use an M/S
> matrix (decoder) in post to convert it to L/R format for normal stereo
> listening. I sometimes do it that way, if I anticipate a need for more
> flexibility in adjusting the stereo width.
>
> If you record with the MS linking option, the decoded Left signal goes
> to channel A and the Right signal goes to channel B. That is, the 722
> internally converts from M/S to L/R before recording. In this case,=20
> you
> want to play back without MS conversion, and you do not need to do any
> conversion in post to get normal stereo. [You can, however, convert it
> back to M/S in post if you really need to, but that's another
> conversation.]
>
> Until you have a good understanding of how M/S recording works, I
> suggest that you stick with the MS linking option. That keeps
> everything simple.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2005, at 5:50 PM, nbioacoustics wrote:
>
> > Ed,
> >
> > I have the following setup & questions:
> >
> > 1. 1 to A, and 2 to B;
> >
> > 2. linked 1/2 + MS (does this mean that both the tracks and the
> > monitoring is decoded into stereo?)
> >
> > 3. HP: Favourite Mode: monitor AB
> >
> > 4. playbakc mode: monitor AB or Track AB? does it matter? aren't=20
> they
> > the same thing? I guess I don't understand the difference between a
> > track (recorded data?) and a monitor (???)...
> >
> > Natalie :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Ed Anson <>
> > wrote:
> > > Natalie,
> > >
> > > Setting up and monitoring M/S recording is one of a few tricky
> > things
> > > in the 722. It's easy to get it wrong in subtle ways.
> > >
> > > One thing you didn't mention: How is your input linking set up?
> > You'll
> > > get a different result if you set up unlinked, linked 1/2, or=20
> linked
> > > 1/2 MS. Any of those settings can be used for M/S recording,=20
> but you
> > > need to set other things up differently, and work differently in
> > post.
> > >
> > > The simplest to work with is often the last (linked 1/2 MS),=20
> as it
> > > performs the conversion to L/R stereo before recording. In this
> > case,
> > > you want to monitor A,B (not MS) both for recording and playback.
> > [Note
> > > that in this mode, the top gain knob controls the record level=20
> and
> > the
> > > bottom knob controls stereo width. The latter should normally be
> > set to
> > > 12 o'clock unless you want special effects.]
> > >
> > > As an aside: If you record as I suggested, you will have L/R=20
> stereo
> > on
> > > your tracks, so listening with MS selected is not appropriate. In
> > fact,
> > > doing so could result in the symptom you noticed if the tracks=20
> are
> > > sufficiently correlated (as would happen if you recorded a single
> > sound
> > > source near center).
> > >
> > > I hope this helps, and you have much happy recording.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 1, 2005, at 4:18 PM, nbioacoustics wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you for helping!
> > > >
> > > > I understand what you are saying, i think, but to complicate
> > things, I
> > > > am using 1 cardioid mic and 1 figure 8 mic, so I need to=20
> choose
> > the MS
> > > > options (from what I understand).
> > > >
> > > > I chose routing: Channel 1 (cardioid) to A
> > > > =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =
Channel 2=20
> (figure 8) to B
> > > >
> > > > For monitoring with HP, I chose: monitor "A,B (MS)"
> > > > -but when i am monitoring, the LCD icon won't let me choose=20
> "AB
> > MS",
> > > > only plain "A,B"
> > > >
> > > > For playback, I chose: track A,B
> > (MS)=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =
=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2=20
> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2
> > > > - and the LCD let's me play it in "AB MS"
> > > >
> > > > I still get the playback in the left headphone only.
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand what I'm doing wrong...
> > > >
> > > > Natalie :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Tim Nielsen=20
> <>
> > wrote:
> > > > > On the 722, I think there are two different modes for
> > headphone,
> > > > one=C2
> > > > > for recording, and one for playback. You'll see next to the
> > > > headphone=C2
> > > > > symbol on the unit on the display, it will display what you
> > are=C2
> > > > > hearing in the headphones. The selector knob on the right=20
> side
> > > > should=C2
> > > > > cycle through the available headphone presets, when=20
> recording,=C2
> > > > > depending on the mode you're recording in, you'll probably
> > want it
> > > > in=C2
> > > > > 1,2 mode, where it puts input 1 on the left, and 2 on the
> > right.
> > > > >
> > > > > On playback, it should be I think A,B where track A is on=20
> the
> > left=C2
> > > > > and B on the right? If it's saying just 1 or A, then you're
> > only=C2
> > > > > hearing one track.
> > > > >
> > > > > See if that helps. I know the manual explains it pretty well
> > too.=C2
> > > > > There are basically 'headphone favorites' that you can store
> > for=C2
> > > > > recording and playback. It's in the menu, and you can store
> > which=C2
> > > > > headphones modes you want to be active on the right side=20
> knob.
> > > > >
> > > > > But actually what is probably happening is that your mic=20
> input
> > is=C2
> > > > > only going to channel 1, and while recording, you're=20
> listening
> > to=C2
> > > > > channel 1 (the headphones will play it as mono). On=20
> playback,
> > it's=C2
> > > > > probably set to play back A,B, and since there is no second
> > > > channel,=C2
> > > > > you'll hear only in the left.
> > > > >
> > > > > Make sure you understand the mic input routing of the 722.
> > > > Basically,=C2
> > > > > it's a square, with inputs 1 and 2 on top, and record=20
> tracks A
> > and
> > > > B=C2
> > > > > on the bottom. So you link incoming track 1 to record=20
> track A,
> > > > input=C2
> > > > > track 2 to track B. It's possible to input track 1 to A=20
> AND B,
> > or I=C2
> > > > > think both inputs 1 and 2 to A AND B, so make sure you're
> > assign
> > > > them=C2
> > > > > correctly for your mics.
> > > > >
> > > > > It bit me once, somehow input 2 got turned off, so I was=20
> only=C2
> > > > > recording mono.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 1, 2005, at 12:30 PM, nbioacoustics wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi there,
> > > > > > I just bought a 722, which I plan on using in Hawaii in 3
> > weeks to
> > > > > > record biophony for a scientific study of=20
> biodiversity.=C2 I
> > am
> > > > used to
> > > > > > working with plants, so I don't know much about this=20
> stuff.
> > Help!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out why when I am recording, I can=20
> hear
> > > > sounds in
> > > > > > both headphones, but then when I playback my recording, I
> > only get
> > > > > > sound out of the left headphone...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have the patience to help me out?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Microphones are not ears,
> > > > > > Loudspeakers are not birds,
> > > > > > A listening room is not nature."
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