I thought the general consensus was that the scale of "good to evil", with
1 being angelic and 10 being satanic, was:
People who watch birds in their back yard - 1
People who have friends with secret information and can therefore see the
site without the unwashed masses sharing the experience (I mean
contaminating the site) - 2
Bird watchers - 4
Twitchers - 8
Photographers - 9
Egg collectors/poachers - 10
Seriously though... it is great these things are out there. Nobody needs to
see them. As a twitcher and a photographer I am quite happy to leave the
Parrots to the researchers for the time being!
On 12 August 2015 at 08:57, Laurie Knight <> wrote:
> I would have thought poachers / egg collectors / bird collectors would be
> a greater hazard than birders …
>
> On 11 Aug 2015, at 3:28 pm, Chris Charles <> wrote:
>
> > Eric,
> > No I am not arguing that.
> > I am saying that it is not a simple binary bullets vs bullets case.
> > Relative to the existing risks, birdwatchers are a lesser risk;
> frequency x impact.
> >
> > All birdwatchers have an empathy for their quarry for a start. Yes I
> know you can quote the exception but again consider the statistical risk.
> > Mitigating the major risks is in the best interest of the birds.
> > Chris
> >
> > Chris Charles
> > +61412911184
> >
> > Licole Monopods
> > http://www.licole.com.au <http://www.licole.com.au/>
> >> On 11 Aug 2015, at 2:57 pm, Eric Jeffrey <> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is an obvious fallacy to that argument, which should be clear
> once explained.
> >>
> >> What you are arguing is that if a species can hang on through 10
> hazards it can hang on through 11. That is like saying if you live through
> 10 bullets, the eleventh can't kill you.
> >>
> >> Eric Jeffrey
> >> Falls Church, VA
> >> USA
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:50 AM, Chris Charles <
> <>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Paul,
> >>> Yep just a little irritated too.
> >>>
> >>> I understand that the researchers want to keep their site free of
> disturbance. I don’t have a problem with that.
> >>> But the implication that birdwatchers are a major concern & are
> discouraged from western Queensland is a bit silly.
> >>> For a bird that has hung on despite years of cattle, cats, dogs,
> mustering vehicles, roo shooters vehicles, fires,etc, you would think that
> even the most over enthusiastic cack-handed birdwatcher would be the least
> of its worries.
> >>> Independent finding of other colonies must be a useful.
> >>>
> >>> But on the bright side, the sub species of ‘photographer' hasn’t been
> singled out this time!
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chris Charles
> >>> +61412911184
> >>>
> >>> Licole Monopods
> >>> http://www.licole.com.au <http://www.licole.com.au/> <
> http://www.licole.com.au/ <http://www.licole.com.au/>>
> >>>> On 10 Aug 2015, at 11:14 am, Paul Dodd <> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, tremendous news!
> >>>>
> >>>> As usual, however, the article (twice) mentions hordes of obsessive
> bird-watchers, initially when discussing John Young's original discovery:
> >>>>
> >>>> "The location was kept secret to protect the population from poachers
> — the bird is so rare it could fetch hundreds of thousands of dollars on
> the black market — and to avoid an onslaught of obsessive bird watchers
> who, without realising, could present equal danger to the fragile habitat."
> >>>>
> >>>> And again, with an apparent quote from Steve Murphy:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hours from the nearest neighbouring property, the land space is so
> vast, it’s hard to imagine anyone being so lucky as to find the bird
> without expert knowledge but Dr Murphy said it would not stop obsessive
> bird watchers and poachers from trying."
> >>>>
> >>>> I've never considered myself particularly thin-skinned, so I wonder
> if it's just me - but this attitude is really starting to irritate me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, I'll leave that for now. Since the gist of the article is
> that Bush Heritage Australia is leading the conservation effort for the
> Night Parrot (initially at the request of the farmer on whose land JY found
> and photographed the bird), it might be best to look at their web site.
> There is a great section on the bird and the recovery efforts and also some
> video of the release of the captured bird.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is a link to the Bush Heritage site:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.bushheritage.org.au/what_we_do/species_protection/night-parrot
> >>>>
> >>>> And, in case the link gets truncated, here is a shortened version of
> the link:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://bit.ly/1IRA2WL
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul Dodd
> >>>> Docklands, Victoria
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Birding-Aus On
> Behalf Of Murray Lord
> >>>> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015 6:33 AM
> >>>> To:
> >>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Night Parrot captured and videoed
> >>>>
> >>>> The Australian today has a story about the first Night Parrot to have
> been captured by researchers. If you’re not a subscriber, try a Google
> News search for “Looking for a Night Parrot in a Haystack?”
> >>>>
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