What a wonderful memory to have of Fred. I'm sure he'd have been delighted at
your mention of it!
Sonja
On 10/06/2014, at 9:47 AM, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
> And to think I came close to performing mouth-to-beak resuscitation on an
> expiring Garganey so that Fred Smith could tick it!
>
> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
> PO Box 71
> Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
>
> PhD candidate
> Vice-chair Wildlife Tourism Australia
>
>
>
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>
> On 10 Jun 2014, at 8:45 am, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>
>> All this has got me thinking! I'm racking my brains back over the last
>> twenty years or so trying to remember dead birds which I haven't counted in
>> my life list. My birding associates have always considered a dead specimen
>> to be un-tickable. Hm ! Think think think. There must be a beach washed bird
>> or two I can reconsider.
>> Tony.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
>> martin cachard
>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2014 7:20 AM
>> To: greg clancy; Laurie Knight; carl clifford
>> Cc: Birding Aus
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
>>
>> hi Greg,
>>
>> it has always amazed me why birders consider a dead specimen to be
>> un-tickable.
>> I have always counted such records of mine as tickable, but only if I
>> consider that it wasn't carried to where it was found by an unnatural
>> means...
>>
>> the simple way that I look at it (& Greg, your Vanuatu Petrel is THE
>> perfect example for my point too!!) is if a dead beach-washed specimen is
>> good enough to be recorded as a national record, then why then isn't it also
>> good enough to be recorded by the finder on their national list as one of
>> their records!!!??
>>
>> I think it's pretty simple really, & I've always been puzzled when records
>> of dead seabirds for eg are counted as records but observers in the main
>> don't tick them...
>> it seems very inconsistent to me - a record is a record, surely!!
>>
>> cheers ,
>> martin cachard,
>> cairns
>>
>>
>>
>>> From:
>>> To: ;
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:32:30 +1000
>>> CC:
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
>>>
>>> I have a similar dilemma as I found the only specimen of the Vanuatu
>>> Petrel ever found in Australia and it constitutes the only record for
>>> Australia so can I tick it? It was found dead on the roadside north of
>> Port Macquarie.
>>> The only Blue Petrel that I have seen was dead on a beach so it is,
>>> similarly, not generally considered tickable. It doesn't really
>>> bother me as I am not a lister and although I enjoy seeing new species
>>> of birds I don't really know what my life total is.
>>>
>>> Dr Greg. P. Clancy
>>> Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
>>> | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
>>> | 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960
>>> http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com
>>> http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Laurie Knight
>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:57 PM
>>> To: Carl Clifford
>>> Cc: Birding Aus
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
>>>
>>> G'day Carl
>>>
>>> That depends on what rules you have established for your patch list.
>>> Bear in mind, that list rules, like national constitutions, can have
>> amendments.
>>>
>>> Regards, Laurie.
>>>
>>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 7:04 pm, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a guest for the night, a young Tawny Frogmouth which was hit
>>>> by a car on the road outside the house. I have rung WIRES, and they
>>>> are trying to get here tonight, otherwise, if it lasts the night, I
>>>> will take it to the vet in the morning. It is the first TF I have
>>>> seen on my local patch, but have a bit of a moral dilemma as to whether
>> I can tick him.
>>>>
>>>> Carl Clifford
>>>
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