And to think I came close to performing mouth-to-beak resuscitation on an
expiring Garganey so that Fred Smith could tick it!
Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
PO Box 71
Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
PhD candidate
Vice-chair Wildlife Tourism Australia
On 10 Jun 2014, at 8:45 am, Tony Russell <> wrote:
> All this has got me thinking! I'm racking my brains back over the last
> twenty years or so trying to remember dead birds which I haven't counted in
> my life list. My birding associates have always considered a dead specimen
> to be un-tickable. Hm ! Think think think. There must be a beach washed bird
> or two I can reconsider.
> Tony.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
> martin cachard
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2014 7:20 AM
> To: greg clancy; Laurie Knight; carl clifford
> Cc: Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
>
> hi Greg,
>
> it has always amazed me why birders consider a dead specimen to be
> un-tickable.
> I have always counted such records of mine as tickable, but only if I
> consider that it wasn't carried to where it was found by an unnatural
> means...
>
> the simple way that I look at it (& Greg, your Vanuatu Petrel is THE
> perfect example for my point too!!) is if a dead beach-washed specimen is
> good enough to be recorded as a national record, then why then isn't it also
> good enough to be recorded by the finder on their national list as one of
> their records!!!??
>
> I think it's pretty simple really, & I've always been puzzled when records
> of dead seabirds for eg are counted as records but observers in the main
> don't tick them...
> it seems very inconsistent to me - a record is a record, surely!!
>
> cheers ,
> martin cachard,
> cairns
>
>
>
>> From:
>> To: ;
>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:32:30 +1000
>> CC:
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
>>
>> I have a similar dilemma as I found the only specimen of the Vanuatu
>> Petrel ever found in Australia and it constitutes the only record for
>> Australia so can I tick it? It was found dead on the roadside north of
> Port Macquarie.
>> The only Blue Petrel that I have seen was dead on a beach so it is,
>> similarly, not generally considered tickable. It doesn't really
>> bother me as I am not a lister and although I enjoy seeing new species
>> of birds I don't really know what my life total is.
>>
>> Dr Greg. P. Clancy
>> Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
>> | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
>> | 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960
>> http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com
>> http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Laurie Knight
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:57 PM
>> To: Carl Clifford
>> Cc: Birding Aus
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
>>
>> G'day Carl
>>
>> That depends on what rules you have established for your patch list.
>> Bear in mind, that list rules, like national constitutions, can have
> amendments.
>>
>> Regards, Laurie.
>>
>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 7:04 pm, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a guest for the night, a young Tawny Frogmouth which was hit
>>> by a car on the road outside the house. I have rung WIRES, and they
>>> are trying to get here tonight, otherwise, if it lasts the night, I
>>> will take it to the vet in the morning. It is the first TF I have
>>> seen on my local patch, but have a bit of a moral dilemma as to whether
> I can tick him.
>>>
>>> Carl Clifford
>>
>>
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