This is straying far from birding, but for there to a valid argument about
National Parks and conservation impoverishing Tasmania you need to show
that there was some sort of Golden Age of full-employment and tree
destruction in the past which came to end with the creation of National
Parks. Might be difficult to prove.
John Leonard
On 8 March 2014 12:58, Alan Gillanders <>wrote:
> The answer to my request for actual figures on unemployment rates was not
> sent to the list but I thought it relevant so have included it here.
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> You should be able to dig those numbers up from the ABS site. I have
> looked at the Time Series profile for the Census data for Tasmania and it
> gives the following answers.
> Census year Unemployment Rate %
> 2011 6.4
> 2006 6.6
> 2001 10.1
> 1996 11.0
> The pattern surprised me but my arithmetic seems OK.
>
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> -----Original Message----- From: Greg and Val Clancy
> Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:56 AM
> To: Ian May ; Jeremy O'Wheel
> Cc: birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
>
> Correct me if I am wrong but the threatened subspecies of the Wedge-tailed
> Eagle in Tasmania is adversely affected by logging. I would be surprised
> if
> other species aren't similarly affected despite that fact that some species
> thrive on the disturbance created by logging.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ian May
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:41 PM
> To: Jeremy O'Wheel
> Cc: birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
>
>
> <>Jeremy
>
> In Tasmania, dedicated National Parks cover about 20% of the State,
> while more than 50% is tied up in State Reserves that exclude economic
> activity considered normal even in National Parks Reserves in many other
> parts of Australia (Mining exploration etc.). We all know that National
> Parks reserves also include Conservation Parks, Recreational Parks,
> Regional Reserves, Game Reserves etc etc and not just National Parks.
> The end result to the economy is the same if it restricts or excludes
> most economic activity in the same manner.
>
> Until recently, in most States of Australia, "Reasonable representation
> of natural habitat" was considered a target of approximately 15% of the
> habitat zones <>and few should object to reasonable representation of
> natural areas for nature conservation and protection. And No, I am not
> suggesting open slather should be practiced in the rest.
>
> But now the so called Tasmanian Forestry agreement proposes to reserve
> more than 500,000 ha of previously logged forestry access areas (most of
> which are dry sclerophyll forest and not "Old Growth Rain Forest") and
> place under National Parks management. As you would know, the
> agreement even excludes selective logging forestry (sustainable
> forestry), an industry that previously gave opportunity of employment to
> many many underprivileged people in regional areas of Tasmania. The
> Forest Industry in Tasmania is now lost and these people have nowhere to
> go.
>
> It probably would not be so bad if there were some demonstrated
> environmental benefits from all this but there are none that I can
> see. Even Masked Owls, Spotted Quail Thrush, Olive Whistlers, Pink and
> Flame Robins do well in Selectively logged Forestry zones.
>
> Anyway, enough diatribe from me but if you would like to name Tasmanian
> bird species significantly disadvantaged by selective logging forestry,
> I would appreciate the information.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ian May
> St Helens, Tasmania.
>
>
>
> Jeremy O'Wheel wrote:
>
> Actually Ian, in Tasmania about 21% of land is in national parks. The
>> figures most often quoted is that over 40% is in National Parks and
>> "reserves." Reserves have varying levels of protection, but are not
>> national parks.
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On 6 March 2014 18:34, Ian May < <mailto:
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Tom
>>
>> Yes, I like to push some buttons too however in this debate I am
>> only an ill informed observer. It should be noted that reserving
>> more than 50% of Tasmania to unmanaged National Parks Reserves has
>> killed this states economy, condemned many of its residence to
>> generations of welfare and created the worst circumstances
>> possible for the management of wild fires. But before linking recent
>> major bushfires, droughts etc. to some
>> peoples theories about climate change, have a look at this.
>>
>> http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/fireall.html
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Tarrant wrote:
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> After all the recent fires in Tasmania, will the 'good citizens of
>> Tasmania' be more concerned about their economy or
>> climate-change?....we recently saw the writing on the wall' in the
>> Redcliffe by-election and I think there will be further
>> surprises in
>> the forthcoming re-run of the WA senate election, I would like to
>> think that there is still hope for Tassies Forests, and will still
>> continue to push poll-buttons (....when I'm not at work),
>>
>> best of luck,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ian May
>> < <>> wrote:
>>
>> g'Day Peter, Dave and all
>>
>> Perhaps most Green zealots do little else but sit around
>> and play with their
>> iphones while waiting for an opportunity to push poll
>> buttons and preach
>> left wing philosophy. It probably takes more time for
>> more productive
>> members of society who are mostly at work to find out or
>> even bother with
>> frivolous polls in Fairfax media.
>> The reality seems to be, that the Green pendulum has swung
>> back to the
>> right. Especially here in Tasmania, most if its good
>> citizens appear to be
>> fed up with the high social costs of being lumbered with
>> green public policy
>> that has achieved little more than to make the state a
>> feel good playground
>> for visitors.
>> The saddest part is that despite such a high social cost,
>> there has been
>> little success in achieving reasonable conservation
>> benchmarks, i.e.
>> Orange-bellied Parrot. The costly green experiment
>> appears to have failed.
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>> Ian May
>> PO Box 110
>> St Helens, Tasmania. 7216
>> Mob: 0428337956
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Shute wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's now on 83% yes, and the vote count has increased
>> from about 3000 when
>> I looked yesterday evening to nearly 120,000.
>>
>> At least it's now obvious it can't be believed.
>>
>> Peter Shute
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus
>>
>> <>] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Judy Leitch
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 8:34 AM
>> To: 'Dave Torr'; 'Laurie Knight'
>> Cc: 'birding-aus'
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too
>> Many National Parks?
>>
>> I voted and at that time the NO vote was ahead, I
>> checked 5 mins later
>> and the YES vote had doubled :( This also happened
>> 2 weeks ago in a Gold
>> Coast Bulletin online poll with regards a Cruise
>> Ship Terminal on our
>> wonderful Broadwater.
>> Check this out -
>>
>>
>> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/331994,ballot-stuffing-bot-hits-
>> news-ltd-polls
>> .aspx
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus
>>
>> <>] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dave Torr
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 7:19 AM
>> To: Laurie Knight
>> Cc: birding-aus
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too
>> Many National Parks?
>>
>> It is well known that all Fairfax readers are
>> left-wing, tree-hugging
>> greenies so why would any good conservative
>> government any any attention to
>> such a poll?
>>
>>
>> On 5 March 2014 17:55, Laurie Knight
>> <
>> <>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a link between the conservation
>> estate and the
>>
>> preservation
>>
>> of wildlife.
>>
>> The Australian PM is quoted as saying "We
>> don't support, as a government
>> and as a Coalition, further lockouts of our
>>
>> forests ...We
>>
>> have quite enough National Parks, we have
>> quite enough locked up forests
>> already. In fact, in an important respect, we
>> have too much locked
>>
>>
>> up forest."
>>
>>
>> There is a poll in the Fairfax media that runs
>> until 9 pm
>>
>> EST, 10 pm
>>
>> EDST and 7 pm WST where you can note your opinion.
>>
>>
>> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-
>>
>> news/no-more-national-parks-as-tony-abbott-pledges-to-
>>
>> support-loggers-as-the-ultimate-conservationists-20140305-345zp.html
>>
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