Hi Ian,
I didn't make any sort of comment on forestry or environmental policy in
Tasmania, but merely pointed out your claim that;
" It should be noted that reserving more than 50% of Tasmania to unmanaged
National Parks Reserves"
Is incorrect, and as you now concede, the amount of National Parks are less
than half the amount you have claimed.
Regards
Somebody who accepts humans are influencing the climate through greenhouse
gas emissions.
On 7 Mar 2014 19:42, "Ian May" <> wrote:
>
> <>Jeremy
>
> In Tasmania, dedicated National Parks cover about 20% of the State, while
> more than 50% is tied up in State Reserves that exclude economic activity
> considered normal even in National Parks Reserves in many other parts of
> Australia (Mining exploration etc.). We all know that National Parks
> reserves also include Conservation Parks, Recreational Parks, Regional
> Reserves, Game Reserves etc etc and not just National Parks. The end
> result to the economy is the same if it restricts or excludes most economic
> activity in the same manner.
>
> Until recently, in most States of Australia, "Reasonable representation of
> natural habitat" was considered a target of approximately 15% of the
> habitat zones <>and few should object to reasonable representation of
> natural areas for nature conservation and protection. And No, I am not
> suggesting open slather should be practiced in the rest.
>
> But now the so called Tasmanian Forestry agreement proposes to reserve
> more than 500,000 ha of previously logged forestry access areas (most of
> which are dry sclerophyll forest and not "Old Growth Rain Forest") and
> place under National Parks management. As you would know, the agreement
> even excludes selective logging forestry (sustainable forestry), an
> industry that previously gave opportunity of employment to many many
> underprivileged people in regional areas of Tasmania. The Forest Industry
> in Tasmania is now lost and these people have nowhere to go.
>
> It probably would not be so bad if there were some demonstrated
> environmental benefits from all this but there are none that I can see.
> Even Masked Owls, Spotted Quail Thrush, Olive Whistlers, Pink and Flame
> Robins do well in Selectively logged Forestry zones.
>
> Anyway, enough diatribe from me but if you would like to name Tasmanian
> bird species significantly disadvantaged by selective logging forestry, I
> would appreciate the information.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ian May
> St Helens, Tasmania.
>
>
>
> Jeremy O'Wheel wrote:
>
> Actually Ian, in Tasmania about 21% of land is in national parks. The
> figures most often quoted is that over 40% is in National Parks and
> "reserves." Reserves have varying levels of protection, but are not
> national parks.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 6 March 2014 18:34, Ian May <> wrote:
>
>> Hello Tom
>>
>> Yes, I like to push some buttons too however in this debate I am only an
>> ill informed observer. It should be noted that reserving more than 50% of
>> Tasmania to unmanaged National Parks Reserves has killed this states
>> economy, condemned many of its residence to generations of welfare and
>> created the worst circumstances possible for the management of wild fires.
>> But before linking recent major bushfires, droughts etc. to some peoples
>> theories about climate change, have a look at this.
>>
>> http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/fireall.html
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Tarrant wrote:
>>
>> Ian,
>>>
>>> After all the recent fires in Tasmania, will the 'good citizens of
>>> Tasmania' be more concerned about their economy or
>>> climate-change?....we recently saw the writing on the wall' in the
>>> Redcliffe by-election and I think there will be further surprises in
>>> the forthcoming re-run of the WA senate election, I would like to
>>> think that there is still hope for Tassies Forests, and will still
>>> continue to push poll-buttons (....when I'm not at work),
>>>
>>> best of luck,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ian May <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> g'Day Peter, Dave and all
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps most Green zealots do little else but sit around and play with
>>>> their
>>>> iphones while waiting for an opportunity to push poll buttons and preach
>>>> left wing philosophy. It probably takes more time for more productive
>>>> members of society who are mostly at work to find out or even bother
>>>> with
>>>> frivolous polls in Fairfax media.
>>>> The reality seems to be, that the Green pendulum has swung back to the
>>>> right. Especially here in Tasmania, most if its good citizens appear
>>>> to be
>>>> fed up with the high social costs of being lumbered with green public
>>>> policy
>>>> that has achieved little more than to make the state a feel good
>>>> playground
>>>> for visitors.
>>>> The saddest part is that despite such a high social cost, there has been
>>>> little success in achieving reasonable conservation benchmarks, i.e.
>>>> Orange-bellied Parrot. The costly green experiment appears to have
>>>> failed.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ian May
>>>> PO Box 110
>>>> St Helens, Tasmania. 7216
>>>> Mob: 0428337956
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter Shute wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's now on 83% yes, and the vote count has increased from about 3000
>>>>> when
>>>>> I looked yesterday evening to nearly 120,000.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least it's now obvious it can't be believed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Shute
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Birding-Aus On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Judy Leitch
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 8:34 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Dave Torr'; 'Laurie Knight'
>>>>>> Cc: 'birding-aus'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National
>>>>>> Parks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I voted and at that time the NO vote was ahead, I checked 5 mins later
>>>>>> and the YES vote had doubled :( This also happened 2 weeks ago in a
>>>>>> Gold
>>>>>> Coast Bulletin online poll with regards a Cruise Ship Terminal on our
>>>>>> wonderful Broadwater.
>>>>>> Check this out -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/331994,ballot-stuffing-bot-hits-
>>>>>> news-ltd-polls
>>>>>> .aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Birding-Aus On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Dave Torr
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 7:19 AM
>>>>>> To: Laurie Knight
>>>>>> Cc: birding-aus
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National
>>>>>> Parks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is well known that all Fairfax readers are left-wing, tree-hugging
>>>>>> greenies so why would any good conservative government any any
>>>>>> attention to
>>>>>> such a poll?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 March 2014 17:55, Laurie Knight <>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a link between the conservation estate and the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> preservation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of wildlife.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Australian PM is quoted as saying "We don't support, as a
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> and as a Coalition, further lockouts of our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> forests ...We
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have quite enough National Parks, we have quite enough locked up
>>>>>>> forests
>>>>>>> already. In fact, in an important respect, we have too much locked
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> up forest."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a poll in the Fairfax media that runs until 9 pm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> EST, 10 pm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> EDST and 7 pm WST where you can note your opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-
>>>>>>> news/no-more-national-parks-as-tony-abbott-pledges-to-
>>>>>>> support-loggers-as-the-ultimate-conservationists-20140305-345zp.html
>>>>>>>
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