In Tasmania the Forest industry was still operating in 2011. In the
past two years it has collapsed bringing down many associated businesses.
Compare 2011 figures to 2014 current figures and especially those
relating to younger persons under 25
calyptorhynchus . wrote:
This is straying far from birding, but for there to a valid argument about
National Parks and conservation impoverishing Tasmania you need to show
that there was some sort of Golden Age of full-employment and tree
destruction in the past which came to end with the creation of National
Parks. Might be difficult to prove.
John Leonard
On 8 March 2014 12:58, Alan Gillanders <>wrote:
The answer to my request for actual figures on unemployment rates was not
sent to the list but I thought it relevant so have included it here.
Regards,
Alan
You should be able to dig those numbers up from the ABS site. I have
looked at the Time Series profile for the Census data for Tasmania and it
gives the following answers.
Census year Unemployment Rate %
2011 6.4
2006 6.6
2001 10.1
1996 11.0
The pattern surprised me but my arithmetic seems OK.
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-----Original Message----- From: Greg and Val Clancy
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:56 AM
To: Ian May ; Jeremy O'Wheel
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
Correct me if I am wrong but the threatened subspecies of the Wedge-tailed
Eagle in Tasmania is adversely affected by logging. I would be surprised
if
other species aren't similarly affected despite that fact that some species
thrive on the disturbance created by logging.
Regards
Greg
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-----Original Message----- From: Ian May
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:41 PM
To: Jeremy O'Wheel
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
<>Jeremy
In Tasmania, dedicated National Parks cover about 20% of the State,
while more than 50% is tied up in State Reserves that exclude economic
activity considered normal even in National Parks Reserves in many other
parts of Australia (Mining exploration etc.). We all know that National
Parks reserves also include Conservation Parks, Recreational Parks,
Regional Reserves, Game Reserves etc etc and not just National Parks.
The end result to the economy is the same if it restricts or excludes
most economic activity in the same manner.
Until recently, in most States of Australia, "Reasonable representation
of natural habitat" was considered a target of approximately 15% of the
habitat zones <>and few should object to reasonable representation of
natural areas for nature conservation and protection. And No, I am not
suggesting open slather should be practiced in the rest.
But now the so called Tasmanian Forestry agreement proposes to reserve
more than 500,000 ha of previously logged forestry access areas (most of
which are dry sclerophyll forest and not "Old Growth Rain Forest") and
place under National Parks management. As you would know, the
agreement even excludes selective logging forestry (sustainable
forestry), an industry that previously gave opportunity of employment to
many many underprivileged people in regional areas of Tasmania. The
Forest Industry in Tasmania is now lost and these people have nowhere to
go.
It probably would not be so bad if there were some demonstrated
environmental benefits from all this but there are none that I can
see. Even Masked Owls, Spotted Quail Thrush, Olive Whistlers, Pink and
Flame Robins do well in Selectively logged Forestry zones.
Anyway, enough diatribe from me but if you would like to name Tasmanian
bird species significantly disadvantaged by selective logging forestry,
I would appreciate the information.
Regards
Ian May
St Helens, Tasmania.
Jeremy O'Wheel wrote:
Actually Ian, in Tasmania about 21% of land is in national parks. The
figures most often quoted is that over 40% is in National Parks and
"reserves." Reserves have varying levels of protection, but are not
national parks.
Jeremy
On 6 March 2014 18:34, Ian May < <mailto:
>> wrote:
Hello Tom
Yes, I like to push some buttons too however in this debate I am
only an ill informed observer. It should be noted that reserving
more than 50% of Tasmania to unmanaged National Parks Reserves has
killed this states economy, condemned many of its residence to
generations of welfare and created the worst circumstances
possible for the management of wild fires. But before linking recent
major bushfires, droughts etc. to some
peoples theories about climate change, have a look at this.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/fireall.html
regards
Ian
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Tom Tarrant wrote:
Ian,
After all the recent fires in Tasmania, will the 'good citizens of
Tasmania' be more concerned about their economy or
climate-change?....we recently saw the writing on the wall' in the
Redcliffe by-election and I think there will be further
surprises in
the forthcoming re-run of the WA senate election, I would like to
think that there is still hope for Tassies Forests, and will still
continue to push poll-buttons (....when I'm not at work),
best of luck,
Tom
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ian May
< <>> wrote:
g'Day Peter, Dave and all
Perhaps most Green zealots do little else but sit around
and play with their
iphones while waiting for an opportunity to push poll
buttons and preach
left wing philosophy. It probably takes more time for
more productive
members of society who are mostly at work to find out or
even bother with
frivolous polls in Fairfax media.
The reality seems to be, that the Green pendulum has swung
back to the
right. Especially here in Tasmania, most if its good
citizens appear to be
fed up with the high social costs of being lumbered with
green public policy
that has achieved little more than to make the state a
feel good playground
for visitors.
The saddest part is that despite such a high social cost,
there has been
little success in achieving reasonable conservation
benchmarks, i.e.
Orange-bellied Parrot. The costly green experiment
appears to have failed.
regards
Ian May
PO Box 110
St Helens, Tasmania. 7216
Mob: 0428337956
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Peter Shute wrote:
It's now on 83% yes, and the vote count has increased
from about 3000 when
I looked yesterday evening to nearly 120,000.
At least it's now obvious it can't be believed.
Peter Shute
-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus
<>] On
Behalf
Of Judy Leitch
Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 8:34 AM
To: 'Dave Torr'; 'Laurie Knight'
Cc: 'birding-aus'
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too
Many National Parks?
I voted and at that time the NO vote was ahead, I
checked 5 mins later
and the YES vote had doubled :( This also happened
2 weeks ago in a Gold
Coast Bulletin online poll with regards a Cruise
Ship Terminal on our
wonderful Broadwater.
Check this out -
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/331994,ballot-stuffing-bot-hits-
news-ltd-polls
.aspx
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus
<>] On
Behalf
Of Dave Torr
Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 7:19 AM
To: Laurie Knight
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too
Many National Parks?
It is well known that all Fairfax readers are
left-wing, tree-hugging
greenies so why would any good conservative
government any any attention to
such a poll?
On 5 March 2014 17:55, Laurie Knight
<
<>> wrote:
There is a link between the conservation
estate and the
preservation
of wildlife.
The Australian PM is quoted as saying "We
don't support, as a government
and as a Coalition, further lockouts of our
forests ...We
have quite enough National Parks, we have
quite enough locked up forests
already. In fact, in an important respect, we
have too much locked
up forest."
There is a poll in the Fairfax media that runs
until 9 pm
EST, 10 pm
EDST and 7 pm WST where you can note your opinion.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-
news/no-more-national-parks-as-tony-abbott-pledges-to-
support-loggers-as-the-ultimate-conservationists-20140305-345zp.html
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