Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?

To: "Ian May" <>, "Jeremy O'Wheel" <>
Subject: Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
From: "Greg and Val Clancy" <>
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:56:46 +1100
Correct me if I am wrong but the threatened subspecies of the Wedge-tailed Eagle in Tasmania is adversely affected by logging. I would be surprised if other species aren't similarly affected despite that fact that some species thrive on the disturbance created by logging.



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-----Original Message----- From: Ian May
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:41 PM
To: Jeremy O'Wheel
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?


In Tasmania, dedicated National Parks cover about 20% of the State,
while more than 50% is tied up in State Reserves that exclude economic
activity considered normal even in National Parks Reserves in many other
parts of Australia (Mining exploration etc.).  We all know that National
Parks reserves also include Conservation Parks, Recreational Parks,
Regional Reserves, Game Reserves etc etc and not just National Parks.
The end result to the economy is the same if it restricts or excludes
most economic activity in the same manner.

Until recently, in most States of Australia, "Reasonable representation
of natural habitat" was considered a target of approximately 15% of the
habitat zones <>and few should object to reasonable representation of
natural areas for nature conservation and protection.   And No, I am not
suggesting open slather should be practiced in the rest.

But now the so called Tasmanian Forestry agreement proposes to reserve
more than 500,000 ha of previously logged forestry access areas (most of
which are dry sclerophyll forest and not "Old Growth Rain Forest") and
place under National Parks management.   As you would know, the
agreement even excludes selective logging forestry (sustainable
forestry), an industry that previously gave opportunity of employment to
many many underprivileged people in regional areas of Tasmania.  The
Forest Industry in Tasmania is now lost and these people have nowhere to

It probably would not be so bad if there were some demonstrated
environmental benefits from all this but there are none that I can
see.   Even Masked Owls, Spotted Quail Thrush, Olive Whistlers, Pink and
Flame Robins do well in Selectively logged Forestry zones.

Anyway, enough diatribe from me but if you would like to name Tasmanian
bird species significantly disadvantaged by selective logging forestry,
I would appreciate the information.


Ian May
St Helens, Tasmania.

Jeremy O'Wheel wrote:

Actually Ian, in Tasmania about 21% of land is in national parks. The figures most often quoted is that over 40% is in National Parks and "reserves." Reserves have varying levels of protection, but are not national parks.

On 6 March 2014 18:34, Ian May < <>> wrote:

    Hello Tom

    Yes, I like to push some buttons too however in this debate I am
    only an ill informed observer.  It should be noted that reserving
    more than 50% of Tasmania to unmanaged National Parks Reserves has
    killed this states economy, condemned many of its residence to
    generations of welfare and created the worst circumstances
possible for the management of wild fires. But before linking recent major bushfires, droughts etc. to some
    peoples theories about climate change, have a look at this.




    Tom Tarrant wrote:


        After all the recent fires in Tasmania, will the 'good citizens of
        Tasmania' be more concerned about their economy or
        climate-change?....we recently saw the writing on the wall' in the
        Redcliffe by-election and I think there will be further
        surprises in
        the forthcoming re-run of the WA senate election,  I would like to
        think that there is still hope for Tassies Forests, and will still
        continue to push poll-buttons (....when I'm not at work),

        best of luck,


        On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ian May
        < <>> wrote:

            g'Day Peter, Dave and all

            Perhaps most Green zealots do little else but sit around
            and play with their
            iphones while waiting for an opportunity to push poll
            buttons and preach
            left wing philosophy.   It probably takes more time for
            more productive
            members of society who are mostly at work to find out or
            even bother with
            frivolous polls in Fairfax media.
            The reality seems to be, that the Green pendulum has swung
            back to the
            right.  Especially here in Tasmania, most if its good
            citizens appear to be
            fed up with the high social costs of being lumbered with
            green public policy
            that has achieved little more than to make the state a
            feel good playground
            for visitors.
            The saddest part is that despite such a high social cost,
            there has been
            little success in achieving reasonable conservation
            benchmarks, i.e.
            Orange-bellied Parrot.   The costly green experiment
            appears to have failed.


            Ian May
            PO Box 110
            St Helens, Tasmania. 7216
            Mob: 0428337956


            Peter Shute wrote:

                It's now on 83% yes, and the vote count has increased
                from about 3000 when
                I looked yesterday evening to nearly 120,000.

                At least it's now obvious it can't be believed.

                Peter Shute

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Birding-Aus
                    <>] On
                    Of Judy Leitch
                    Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 8:34 AM
                    To: 'Dave Torr'; 'Laurie Knight'
                    Cc: 'birding-aus'
                    Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too
                    Many National Parks?

                    I voted and at that time the NO vote was ahead, I
                    checked 5 mins later
                    and the YES vote had doubled :( This also happened
                    2 weeks ago in a Gold
                    Coast Bulletin online poll with regards a Cruise
                    Ship Terminal on our
                    wonderful Broadwater.
                    Check this out -,ballot-stuffing-bot-hits-


                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Birding-Aus
                    <>] On
                    Of Dave Torr
                    Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 7:19 AM
                    To: Laurie Knight
                    Cc: birding-aus
                    Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too
                    Many National Parks?

                    It is well known that all Fairfax readers are
                    left-wing, tree-hugging
                    greenies so why would any good conservative
                    government any any attention to
                    such a poll?

                    On 5 March 2014 17:55, Laurie Knight
                    <>> wrote:

                        There is a link between the conservation
                        estate and the


                        of wildlife.

                        The Australian PM is quoted as saying "We
                        don't support, as a government
                        and as a Coalition, further lockouts of our

                    forests ...We

                        have quite enough National Parks, we have
                        quite enough locked up forests
                        already. In fact, in an important respect, we
                        have too much locked

                    up forest."

                        There is a poll in the Fairfax media that runs
                        until 9 pm

                    EST, 10 pm

                        EDST and 7 pm WST where you can note your opinion.



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