Dear Carl
My apologies for the choice of words. May I change it to those who have
less money?
I couldn't locate my son who lives on the Sunshine coast for some days.
Meanwhile frantic semi-traditional Aboriginal relatives, including
Stephanie, my daughter-in-law who is paralysed and dying, were continually
on the phone offering their prayers to me and trying to locate him which
they did this morning. Generosity takes all forms.
Carl, perhaps you're rich in the way that I am.
Denise
on 13/1/11 10:11 AM, Carl Clifford at wrote:
> Denise, we are not poorer, we just have less money than some:-)
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 13/01/2011, at 11:28 AM, Denise Goodfellow wrote:
>
> Good on you, Carl. You and your Mum typify the giving behaviour of
> Australians. It tends to be the poorer who donate the most.
> Denise
>
>
> on 13/1/11 9:19 AM, Carl Clifford at wrote:
>
>> Denise,
>>
>> A very good point. My mother and I have donated the equivalent of one
>> week's pension each to the flood appeals. We can get by without it and
>> there are thousands of people up there who need it much more.
>>
>> I urge all birding-ausers to dig deep and donate as much as they can
>> to this cause. And remember, it is only chance that a disaster like
>> this does not occur where you live and you too have to be reliant on
>> the generosity of strangers.
>>
>> Dig Deep,
>>
>> Carl Clifford
>>
>>
>> On 13/01/2011, at 10:04 AM, Denise Goodfellow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On the subject of the Queensland floods, may I suggest that birders,
>> instead
>> of chasing that next new bird for Australia, donate the money to their
>> fellow human beings. If Michael and I, on our limited income, can
>> afford to
>> donate over $100 a month (to all causes), then I'm sure those who can
>> afford
>> to go chasing birds in remote places could come up with a decent sum.
>> Denise L Goodfellow
>>
>>
>> on 13/1/11 7:57 AM, Dave Torr at wrote:
>>
>>> Wildlife conservation is in many cases these days also a matter for
>>> private
>>> individuals etc - not just governments. I know many dedicated
>>> individuals
>>> who do their bit for conservation with little or no government help.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree that the presence of a rarity on Christmas I (or
>>> wherever)
>>> does little directly to promote conservation - however the more
>>> birders
>>> visit such places (whether for rarities or the endemics or both) the
>>> more
>>> the local see that there is a value in preserving the eco system and
>>> the
>>> more likely they are to pressure for this to occur. This is not just
>>> an
>>> Aussie phenomenon of course - the local people (and government) need
>>> to see
>>> there is a value in "nature" (because people pay to come and see it
>>> and
>>> provide employment etc) and that perhaps this is a better way to go
>>> than
>>> chopping everything down.
>>>
>>> On 13 January 2011 08:56, Julian B <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd hate to fall out with a fellow birder on so trivial a matter
>>>> but I
>>>> still
>>>> cannot see, or understand, the connection between the two [to me]
>>>> separate
>>>> threads.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chasing after rarities, especially new records, is in the realms of
>>>> TWITCHING; wildlife conservation [be it birds, reptiles or a
>>>> elongated
>>>> creepy-crawly] is a Government initiative. The two rarely coincide.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or are we to understand that if the likes of Mike Carter confirm the
>>>> presence of a Lesser-spotted Oompahloompah on the Cocos Keeling
>>>> Islands the
>>>> Australian Government suddenly drops all other business in hand to
>>>> assure
>>>> the wellbeing of the creature - [and I have a lot of admiration for
>>>> both
>>>> Mike's ability and willingness to drop everything at a moment's
>>>> notice and
>>>> shoot off to "find" or verify a rare sighting]?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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