It does seem a bit strange given the amount of (medical) opium grown in
tassie.
Ben
On 10/9/07, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>
> Yes, I know it's illegal but that's the very stupidity of it. The law
> needs to be changed to allow it to be grown. Our namby pamby stupid
> pollies haven't got the brains to see what needs to be done.
> .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Evan Beaver
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
>
>
> Just checked. It's actually totally illegal to grow Industrial Hemp;
> even those with THC levels that low that it is impossible to use it as a
> drug.
>
> On 10/9/07, Evan Beaver <> wrote:
> > Yes, I'm pro-'hemp' too... but for some reason it's not politically
> > favourable.
> >
> > On 10/9/07, Tony Russell <> wrote:
> > > Why not just plant non-toxic Indian Hemp ? It grows fast, needs no
> > > bleaching, and makes very good paper.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > On Behalf Of Evan Beaver
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:06 PM
> > > To: Stephen Ambrose
> > > Cc: ; Ben Allen
> > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
> > >
> > >
> > > My education also suggested that these selective logging coups tend
> > > to grow back as mono-cultures, in the south-east forests it was
> > > Silvertop Ash. If all you want is pulp, why use old growth? There's
> > > no timber issues, the whole thing just gets mulched. Fast growing
> > > euco plantations would be my choice. You could kill 2 birds with one
>
> > > stone and find a salt tolerant species and lower the water table in
> > > some places too.
> > >
> > > EB
> > >
> > > On 10/9/07, Stephen Ambrose <> wrote:
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > I also agree with David that the establishment and harvesting of
> > > > tree plantations on cleared farmland is preferable to the loss of
> > > > existing forests.
> > > >
> > > > My concern about Ben's suggestion of harvesting old-growth native
> > > > forest over cycles in excess of 100 years is that clearing of some
>
> > > > forest areas in South-west WA in the 1960s/70s resulted in the
> > > > spread of Phytophthora and subsequent dieback of extensive areas
> > > > of Jarrah and Karri forest. I realise that heavy machinery used in
>
> > > > mining and transporting bauxite ore (rather than logging) was
> > > > largely responsible
> > >
> > > > for spreading the fungus, but heavy machinery is also involved in
> > > > logging and transporting timber these days.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Ambrose
> > > > Ryde, NSW
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > > > On Behalf Of Dave Torr
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:57 AM
> > > > To: Ben Allen
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
> > > >
> > > > But surely plantations on farm land would be preferable to the
> > > > loss of
> > >
> > > > existing forests?
> > > >
> > > > Given our apparently insatiable desire for paper then a pulp mill
> > > > is needed somewhere - and I guess that having one in Aus where we
> > > > have so
> > >
> > > > control over the environmental conditions is better than using one
>
> > > > overseas where we have no knowledge of what is happening - and
> > > > also better for our trade balance. I guess the logging will happen
>
> > > > whether we process the stuff here or export the raw wood chips!
> > > >
> > > > On 08/10/2007, Ben Allen <> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not well versed on the Tassie Pulp Mill issue and do not
> > > > > pretend to
> > > > be well informed on the issue of pulp mills.
> > > > >
> > > > > However I do feel that I would prefer to see thousands of square
>
> > > > > miles of
> > > > native forest harvested over cycles in excess of 100 years (as was
>
> > > > practiced in WA) then to see the present preferred solution of
> > > > tens of
> > >
> > > > thousands of square kilometers of mono-specific, naturally sterile
>
> > > > cultivated forest as we seem to have now.
> > > > >
> > > > > The very sad and painful loss of the old habitats, old trees and
>
> > > > > varied
> > > > flora and fauna that was built up in the ecosystems of these old
> > > > growth forests is in itself preferable to the destruction and
> > > > harvesting of vast areas of planted and managed forests, with
> > > > little disturbance to any bird life, fauna or other levels of
> > > > activity because of the very lack of life in the mono-cultured
> > > > environments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Obviously the ideal is to have no harvesting, but if that is not
>
> > > > > an
> > > > economic reality then I personally would prefer to see the use of
> > > > long
> > >
> > > > cycle native forests with a managed harvesting system to promote
> > > > diversity and species survival at every level. I am certainly not
>
> > > > keen on the widespread use of cultivated mono-specific tree
> > > > cropping which seems to be the present trend.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > > from [Tony Russell (
> > > > http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?qu
> > > > ery=
> > > > +from:
> > > > &idxname=birding-aus&sort=date:late
> > > > )]
> > > > >
> > > > > To: "'Rosemary Royle'" <>, "'Evan
> > > > > Beaver'"
> > > > <>, "'Birding-aus (E-mail)'"
> > > > <>
> > > > > Subject: Tassie Pulp Mill
> > > > > From: "Tony Russell" <>
> > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:21:00 +0930
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you've got a government with half a brain in its head
> > > > > Rosemary. Our
> > > > governments are still suffering with the extractive mind set of
> > > > the European rapists of a bygone era. Tony. -----Original
> > > > Message-----
> > > > From: Rosemary Royle Sent: Thursday,
> > > > October 04, 2007 8:35 PM
> > > > To: Evan Beaver; Tony Russell; Birding-aus (E-mail) Subject:
> Tassie
> > > Pulp
> > > > Mill "The debate about whether or not it was in Australia's best
> > > long-term
> > > > interest to cut down trees and turn them into low-value pulp never
>
> > > > got
> > > a
> > > > guernsey." >From the other side of the world it seems difficult to
> > > believe,
> > > > in factit seems almost criminal, that it is still possible to
> > > > build a
> > > pulp
> > > > mill and feed it with native forest in a country like Australia. I
> > > know the
> > > > UK is not a good example - we chopped our forests down hundreds of
> > > years ago
> > > > for ships, houses and charcoal. But most wood pulp in Europe now
> > > > comes
> > > from
> > > > managed forests in Scandinavia. Rosemary Royle, Wales, UK
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