Yes, I'm pro-'hemp' too... but for some reason it's not politically favourable.
On 10/9/07, Tony Russell <> wrote:
> Why not just plant non-toxic Indian Hemp ? It grows fast, needs no
> bleaching, and makes very good paper.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Evan Beaver
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:06 PM
> To: Stephen Ambrose
> Cc: ; Ben Allen
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
>
>
> My education also suggested that these selective logging coups tend to
> grow back as mono-cultures, in the south-east forests it was Silvertop
> Ash. If all you want is pulp, why use old growth? There's no timber
> issues, the whole thing just gets mulched. Fast growing euco plantations
> would be my choice. You could kill 2 birds with one stone and find a
> salt tolerant species and lower the water table in some places too.
>
> EB
>
> On 10/9/07, Stephen Ambrose <> wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > I also agree with David that the establishment and harvesting of tree
> > plantations on cleared farmland is preferable to the loss of existing
> > forests.
> >
> > My concern about Ben's suggestion of harvesting old-growth native
> > forest over cycles in excess of 100 years is that clearing of some
> > forest areas in South-west WA in the 1960s/70s resulted in the spread
> > of Phytophthora and subsequent dieback of extensive areas of Jarrah
> > and Karri forest. I realise that heavy machinery used in mining and
> > transporting bauxite ore (rather than logging) was largely responsible
>
> > for spreading the fungus, but heavy machinery is also involved in
> > logging and transporting timber these days.
> >
> > Stephen Ambrose
> > Ryde, NSW
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > On Behalf Of Dave Torr
> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:57 AM
> > To: Ben Allen
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
> >
> > But surely plantations on farm land would be preferable to the loss of
>
> > existing forests?
> >
> > Given our apparently insatiable desire for paper then a pulp mill is
> > needed somewhere - and I guess that having one in Aus where we have so
>
> > control over the environmental conditions is better than using one
> > overseas where we have no knowledge of what is happening - and also
> > better for our trade balance. I guess the logging will happen whether
> > we process the stuff here or export the raw wood chips!
> >
> > On 08/10/2007, Ben Allen <> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not well versed on the Tassie Pulp Mill issue and do not
> > > pretend to
> > be well informed on the issue of pulp mills.
> > >
> > > However I do feel that I would prefer to see thousands of square
> > > miles of
> > native forest harvested over cycles in excess of 100 years (as was
> > practiced in WA) then to see the present preferred solution of tens of
>
> > thousands of square kilometers of mono-specific, naturally sterile
> > cultivated forest as we seem to have now.
> > >
> > > The very sad and painful loss of the old habitats, old trees and
> > > varied
> > flora and fauna that was built up in the ecosystems of these old
> > growth forests is in itself preferable to the destruction and
> > harvesting of vast areas of planted and managed forests, with little
> > disturbance to any bird life, fauna or other levels of activity
> > because of the very lack of life in the mono-cultured environments.
> > >
> > > Obviously the ideal is to have no harvesting, but if that is not an
> > economic reality then I personally would prefer to see the use of long
>
> > cycle native forests with a managed harvesting system to promote
> > diversity and species survival at every level. I am certainly not
> > keen on the widespread use of cultivated mono-specific tree cropping
> > which seems to be the present trend.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > from [Tony Russell (
> > http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=
> > +from:
> > &idxname=birding-aus&sort=date:late )]
> > >
> > > To: "'Rosemary Royle'" <>, "'Evan
> > > Beaver'"
> > <>, "'Birding-aus (E-mail)'"
> > <>
> > > Subject: Tassie Pulp Mill
> > > From: "Tony Russell" <>
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:21:00 +0930
> > >
> > > Maybe you've got a government with half a brain in its head
> > > Rosemary. Our
> > governments are still suffering with the extractive mind set of the
> > European rapists of a bygone era. Tony. -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rosemary Royle Sent: Thursday,
> > October 04, 2007 8:35 PM
> > To: Evan Beaver; Tony Russell; Birding-aus (E-mail) Subject: Tassie
> Pulp
> > Mill "The debate about whether or not it was in Australia's best
> long-term
> > interest to cut down trees and turn them into low-value pulp never got
> a
> > guernsey." >From the other side of the world it seems difficult to
> believe,
> > in factit seems almost criminal, that it is still possible to build a
> pulp
> > mill and feed it with native forest in a country like Australia. I
> know the
> > UK is not a good example - we chopped our forests down hundreds of
> years ago
> > for ships, houses and charcoal. But most wood pulp in Europe now comes
> from
> > managed forests in Scandinavia. Rosemary Royle, Wales, UK
> > > www.birding-aus.org
> > > birding-aus.blogspot.com
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