My education also suggested that these selective logging coups tend to
grow back as mono-cultures, in the south-east forests it was Silvertop
Ash. If all you want is pulp, why use old growth? There's no timber
issues, the whole thing just gets mulched. Fast growing euco
plantations would be my choice. You could kill 2 birds with one stone
and find a salt tolerant species and lower the water table in some
places too.
EB
On 10/9/07, Stephen Ambrose <> wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> I also agree with David that the establishment and harvesting of tree
> plantations on cleared farmland is preferable to the loss of existing
> forests.
>
> My concern about Ben's suggestion of harvesting old-growth native forest
> over cycles in excess of 100 years is that clearing of some forest areas in
> South-west WA in the 1960s/70s resulted in the spread of Phytophthora and
> subsequent dieback of extensive areas of Jarrah and Karri forest. I realise
> that heavy machinery used in mining and transporting bauxite ore (rather
> than logging) was largely responsible for spreading the fungus, but heavy
> machinery is also involved in logging and transporting timber these days.
>
> Stephen Ambrose
> Ryde, NSW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Dave Torr
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:57 AM
> To: Ben Allen
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
>
> But surely plantations on farm land would be preferable to the loss of
> existing forests?
>
> Given our apparently insatiable desire for paper then a pulp mill is
> needed somewhere - and I guess that having one in Aus where we have so
> control over the environmental conditions is better than using one
> overseas where we have no knowledge of what is happening - and also
> better for our trade balance. I guess the logging will happen whether
> we process the stuff here or export the raw wood chips!
>
> On 08/10/2007, Ben Allen <> wrote:
> >
> > I am not well versed on the Tassie Pulp Mill issue and do not pretend to
> be well informed on the issue of pulp mills.
> >
> > However I do feel that I would prefer to see thousands of square miles of
> native forest harvested over cycles in excess of 100 years (as was practiced
> in WA) then to see the present preferred solution of tens of thousands of
> square kilometers of mono-specific, naturally sterile cultivated forest as
> we seem to have now.
> >
> > The very sad and painful loss of the old habitats, old trees and varied
> flora and fauna that was built up in the ecosystems of these old growth
> forests is in itself preferable to the destruction and harvesting of vast
> areas of planted and managed forests, with little disturbance to any bird
> life, fauna or other levels of activity because of the very lack of life in
> the mono-cultured environments.
> >
> > Obviously the ideal is to have no harvesting, but if that is not an
> economic reality then I personally would prefer to see the use of long cycle
> native forests with a managed harvesting system to promote diversity and
> species survival at every level. I am certainly not keen on the widespread
> use of cultivated mono-specific tree cropping which seems to be the present
> trend.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > from [Tony Russell (
> http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=+from:
> &idxname=birding-aus&sort=date:late )]
> >
> > To: "'Rosemary Royle'" <>, "'Evan Beaver'"
> <>, "'Birding-aus (E-mail)'" <>
> > Subject: Tassie Pulp Mill
> > From: "Tony Russell" <>
> > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:21:00 +0930
> >
> > Maybe you've got a government with half a brain in its head Rosemary. Our
> governments are still suffering with the extractive mind set of the European
> rapists of a bygone era. Tony. -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary
> Royle Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:35 PM
> To: Evan Beaver; Tony Russell; Birding-aus (E-mail) Subject: Tassie Pulp
> Mill "The debate about whether or not it was in Australia's best long-term
> interest to cut down trees and turn them into low-value pulp never got a
> guernsey." >From the other side of the world it seems difficult to believe,
> in factit seems almost criminal, that it is still possible to build a pulp
> mill and feed it with native forest in a country like Australia. I know the
> UK is not a good example - we chopped our forests down hundreds of years ago
> for ships, houses and charcoal. But most wood pulp in Europe now comes from
> managed forests in Scandinavia. Rosemary Royle, Wales, UK
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