Yes, I know it's illegal but that's the very stupidity of it. The law
needs to be changed to allow it to be grown. Our namby pamby stupid
pollies haven't got the brains to see what needs to be done.
.
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Evan Beaver
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
Cc:
Subject: Tassie Pulp Mill
Just checked. It's actually totally illegal to grow Industrial Hemp;
even those with THC levels that low that it is impossible to use it as a
drug.
On 10/9/07, Evan Beaver <> wrote:
> Yes, I'm pro-'hemp' too... but for some reason it's not politically
> favourable.
>
> On 10/9/07, Tony Russell <> wrote:
> > Why not just plant non-toxic Indian Hemp ? It grows fast, needs no
> > bleaching, and makes very good paper.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > On Behalf Of Evan Beaver
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:06 PM
> > To: Stephen Ambrose
> > Cc: ; Ben Allen
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
> >
> >
> > My education also suggested that these selective logging coups tend
> > to grow back as mono-cultures, in the south-east forests it was
> > Silvertop Ash. If all you want is pulp, why use old growth? There's
> > no timber issues, the whole thing just gets mulched. Fast growing
> > euco plantations would be my choice. You could kill 2 birds with one
> > stone and find a salt tolerant species and lower the water table in
> > some places too.
> >
> > EB
> >
> > On 10/9/07, Stephen Ambrose <> wrote:
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I also agree with David that the establishment and harvesting of
> > > tree plantations on cleared farmland is preferable to the loss of
> > > existing forests.
> > >
> > > My concern about Ben's suggestion of harvesting old-growth native
> > > forest over cycles in excess of 100 years is that clearing of some
> > > forest areas in South-west WA in the 1960s/70s resulted in the
> > > spread of Phytophthora and subsequent dieback of extensive areas
> > > of Jarrah and Karri forest. I realise that heavy machinery used in
> > > mining and transporting bauxite ore (rather than logging) was
> > > largely responsible
> >
> > > for spreading the fungus, but heavy machinery is also involved in
> > > logging and transporting timber these days.
> > >
> > > Stephen Ambrose
> > > Ryde, NSW
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > On Behalf Of Dave Torr
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:57 AM
> > > To: Ben Allen
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Tassie Pulp Mill
> > >
> > > But surely plantations on farm land would be preferable to the
> > > loss of
> >
> > > existing forests?
> > >
> > > Given our apparently insatiable desire for paper then a pulp mill
> > > is needed somewhere - and I guess that having one in Aus where we
> > > have so
> >
> > > control over the environmental conditions is better than using one
> > > overseas where we have no knowledge of what is happening - and
> > > also better for our trade balance. I guess the logging will happen
> > > whether we process the stuff here or export the raw wood chips!
> > >
> > > On 08/10/2007, Ben Allen <> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am not well versed on the Tassie Pulp Mill issue and do not
> > > > pretend to
> > > be well informed on the issue of pulp mills.
> > > >
> > > > However I do feel that I would prefer to see thousands of square
> > > > miles of
> > > native forest harvested over cycles in excess of 100 years (as was
> > > practiced in WA) then to see the present preferred solution of
> > > tens of
> >
> > > thousands of square kilometers of mono-specific, naturally sterile
> > > cultivated forest as we seem to have now.
> > > >
> > > > The very sad and painful loss of the old habitats, old trees and
> > > > varied
> > > flora and fauna that was built up in the ecosystems of these old
> > > growth forests is in itself preferable to the destruction and
> > > harvesting of vast areas of planted and managed forests, with
> > > little disturbance to any bird life, fauna or other levels of
> > > activity because of the very lack of life in the mono-cultured
> > > environments.
> > > >
> > > > Obviously the ideal is to have no harvesting, but if that is not
> > > > an
> > > economic reality then I personally would prefer to see the use of
> > > long
> >
> > > cycle native forests with a managed harvesting system to promote
> > > diversity and species survival at every level. I am certainly not
> > > keen on the widespread use of cultivated mono-specific tree
> > > cropping which seems to be the present trend.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > > from [Tony Russell (
> > > http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?qu
> > > ery=
> > > +from:
> > > &idxname=birding-aus&sort=date:late
> > > )]
> > > >
> > > > To: "'Rosemary Royle'" <>, "'Evan
> > > > Beaver'"
> > > <>, "'Birding-aus (E-mail)'"
> > > <>
> > > > Subject: Tassie Pulp Mill
> > > > From: "Tony Russell" <>
> > > > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:21:00 +0930
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you've got a government with half a brain in its head
> > > > Rosemary. Our
> > > governments are still suffering with the extractive mind set of
> > > the European rapists of a bygone era. Tony. -----Original
> > > Message-----
> > > From: Rosemary Royle Sent: Thursday,
> > > October 04, 2007 8:35 PM
> > > To: Evan Beaver; Tony Russell; Birding-aus (E-mail) Subject:
Tassie
> > Pulp
> > > Mill "The debate about whether or not it was in Australia's best
> > long-term
> > > interest to cut down trees and turn them into low-value pulp never
> > > got
> > a
> > > guernsey." >From the other side of the world it seems difficult to
> > believe,
> > > in factit seems almost criminal, that it is still possible to
> > > build a
> > pulp
> > > mill and feed it with native forest in a country like Australia. I
> > know the
> > > UK is not a good example - we chopped our forests down hundreds of
> > years ago
> > > for ships, houses and charcoal. But most wood pulp in Europe now
> > > comes
> > from
> > > managed forests in Scandinavia. Rosemary Royle, Wales, UK
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