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Re: Summary: [Nature Recordists] Re: EIN values and bits and peaks

Subject: Re: Summary: [Nature Recordists] Re: EIN values and bits and peaks
From: "Klas Strandberg" klasstrandberg
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:15 am ((PST))
"We strive to make the natural ambient be the dominant noise, but
it's far from simple with so many variables."

Yes, Dan and as I see it, (perhaps I am wrong) the variables have
recently become many more, and more difficult to understand.

Klas.



At 01:40 2012-12-16, you wrote:
>The most simple situation is not simple. Every recording has the
>factors of natural ambient noise level, mic self-noise, recorder
>input noise, and recorder settings. We strive to make the natural
>ambient be the dominant noise, but it's far from simple with so many varia=
bles.
>
>-Dan
>
>On Dec 15, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>
> > Hi Raimund,
> >
> > Just to avoid a possible misunderstanding - I am not attacking you or
> > your work, no way, but I am kind of annoyed by all the digi-talk, far
> > above my understanding, still not being able to explain the most
> > simple matters.
> > The mysteries that I had as examples of such "simple matters" cannot
> > be explained by any logical audio common sense, they are more
> > suggesting that there is no "LS-11" (for example) but a number of
> > different ones, depending on serial number or whatever.
> > I don't know which Zoom or Tascam he used, but he used a LS-11 and
> > the PIP was switched off, we checked that.
> >
> > Klas.
> >
> >  At 23:19 2012-12-15, you wrote:
> >>> Example: A client of mine (reporter) had fallen in love with the
> >>> sound and use of the old Sennheiser MD21. He had tried it with LS10,
> >>> a Tascam and a Zoom recorder, but got far too much noise. However, it
> >>> worked just fine with the Sony D50. And this was NOT a matter of 4-5
> >>> db, caused by EIN differences.
> >>
> >> Hi Klas,
> >>
> >> Are you sure that this was not a matter of EIN differences? At least
> >> the diffence between the Sony D50 and the Zoom H2 for instance is
> >> huge (-126 vs -99 dBu).
> >>
> >>> 90% of all Sony D10 users get a audibly lower self noise when using
> >>> the Telinga Clip-On's, compared to the built in mics. But some
> 10% doesn't.
> >>> Why?
> >>
> >> I can only speculate here. My guess would be that it has something
> >> to do with the PIP power. As we have discussed earlier, powering two
> >> EM 172 capsules on each channel of the Sony M10 might cause a drop
> >> of the supply voltage (measured at the mics) below a critical value.
> >> Due to tolerances between the individual capsules, it might work
> >> fine in most cases, but perhaps not in others.
> >>
> >>> The by far noisiest recording that I have heard with the Telinga SSM,
> >>> were made with a Nagra digital recorder.
> >>> Why?
> >>
> >> I never had my hands on a Nagra recorder. So, I don't know.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >> Raimund
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krau=
se.
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > email: 
> > website: www.telinga.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Kraus=
e.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
email: 
website: www.telinga.com









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