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Re: Schoeps Double MS sample

Subject: Re: Schoeps Double MS sample
From: "Martyn Stewart" mijdog2000
Date: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:55 pm ((PDT))
What I originally bought was a microphone to work in the field for 5.1 surr=
ound, The soundfield microphone gave this option and i manipulated the file=
s in post production. However, the soundfield system was incredibly noisy i=
n quiet environments, I compared the 2 mics (double MS) because they were t=
he ones I decided to buy for the above reasons.
Both microphone systems are capable of being converted for my needs, I tota=
lly realize that both microphones perform differently to each other but wit=
h their excellent plugins (Soundfield $500 and schoeps free) you can basica=
lly convert both patterns to sound the same in a 5.1 environment.
I also bought with the Schoeps the excellent M DMS (quote from website) The=
 SCHOEPS M DMS matrix is, in all respects, the simplest and most elegant wa=
y to obtain surround signals. It is a small, sturdy box with high-quality t=
ransformers forming a passive decoder matrix. Microphone signals are conver=
ted directly into 5.0 L / R / C / LS / RS surround signals. A second, switc=
hable mode supplies four signals with no center-channel output.
The matrix parameters have been chosen so that the resulting signals corres=
pond to an optimal arrangement while avoiding unwanted artifacts. read more=
 here

The comparison i made regarding the two microphones  was meant  to be from =
my own personal experience The schoeps Double MS system is a far better nat=
ure microphone than the noisy soundfield, however, the folks from soundfiel=
d worked with me tirelessly to get me to where i needed to be but it was no=
t the microphone system for me. The self noise being extremely unacceptable=
.
However, I must state that i have used a double MS system in the field for =
many years using 2 mkh-40's with the mkh-30 but the schoeps housing and bli=
mp portability and convenience to me is worth paying for, how they perform =
in humid environments is another story....



Martyn
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Martyn Stewart
www.naturesound.org
www.soundofcritters.com


425-898-0462
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Make every garden a wildlife habitat

On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote:

> I' ve worked extensively with the ST-250 but not with the schoeps double =
MS, however I' d like to express some thoughts
>
> the schoeps are supposed to be top-notch microphones (and as I can tell f=
rom a couple of recordings I heard once - they ARE top-notch). I have the i=
mpression that the soundfield sounds a bit artificial if compared with the =
schoeps, but my experience is very limited to jump into conclusions
>
> But I find the comparison totally misleading, as the two systems are comp=
letely different in terms of objective and potential. The schoepps system d=
eliver double MS while the soundfield is an ambisonics mike. It can deliver=
 b-format out-of-the-box, while the schoeps just cannot.
>
> so what exactly are we comparing ?
>
> a soundfield recording can be decoded for a full-sphere rig of say 16 spe=
akers resulting in a 3d immersive sound experience. While it is possible to=
 do some alchemy and have a doubleMS recording played back accordingly, I d=
oubt whether the result would be of equal interest (at least in terms of fa=
ithful localization)
>
> a doubleMS rig is in essence 2-dimensional while soundfield is a 3-dimens=
ional mike
>
> So if you want to work with ambisonic rigs, then a doubleMS system is no =
good at all.. On the other hand, somebody into the film industry would norm=
ally prefer doubleMS (I guess) over b-format for reasons of standardization=
.
>
> m
>
> On 22 Jul 2011, at 00:52, emil klotzsch wrote:
>
> > what do you mean with "new" double ms system. do you mean that you
> > have bought it recently or that schoeps has a new one?
> > i did not know they changed anything with their double ms system...
> >
> > and secondly, don=B4t you had ever trouble with the relative high noise=

> > of the schoeps eight figure? (18dba..)
> > just curious how other recordists handle that..
> >
> >
> > Am 18.07.2011 um 07:54 schrieb Martyn Stewart:
> >
> >> http://naturesound.org/?p=3D579
> >>
> >> This is a sample from the new Schoeps Double MS system.
> >> Recorded today (17th July) you can hear the difference between a
> >> good microphone system in a quiet environment compared to the B-
> >> Format microphone system of the new ST450 soundfield microphone
> >> found here..
> >> This is a 5 minute soundscape of a quiet environment found at
> >> Stossel creek, Washington. info found below.
> >> Location: stossel creek
> >> Date: 2011-07-17
> >> Time: 18:00
> >> State: WA
> >> Description: evening at stossel creek
> >> Habitat: ponds/coniferous
> >> VoxType: evening
> >> Category: soundscape
> >> Recorder: SD 788t
> >> Mics: schoeps double MS
> >> Sample rate: 48k 24 bit
> >> Microphone pattern: Double MS stereo-4 channel
> >> Take# 1
> >> Anthrophony: airplane/traffic/04:03 passing truck/6:37 plane/7:50
> >> plane/14:00 plane/14:49 passing truck/16:20 plane/18:15 plane/26:30
> >> plane/
> >> Geophony: light rain/
> >> Biophony: song sparrow/swainsons thrush/common yellowthroat/American
> >> robin/8:50 swainsons thrush song/10:40 unknown trill/11:04 high
> >> pitched robin calls/15:39 common yellowthroat song/25:20 Douglas
> >> squirrel/26:10 red winged blackbird chips/
> >> Weather: overcast
> >> Temp: 58f
> >> Humidity: 87%
> >> Wind: calm
> >> GPS:
> >> Recordist: Martyn Stewart
> >> Notes: inserted -30 db tone at beginning of the recording/ Mic
> >> suspension with Rycote windjammer and gitzo tripod/monitored without
> >> headphones/
> >> Facebook
> >> NOTE
> >> If you would like to download this track for free, please go to this
> >> link and download the original Double MS recording in 4 channels
> >>
> >> Martyn
> >> ------------------------------------------------
> >> Martyn Stewart
> >> www.naturesound.org
> >> www.soundofcritters.com
> >>
> >> 425-898-0462
> >> -------------------------------------------------
> >> Make every garden a wildlife habitat
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Kraus=
e.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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