Re what Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote (below)
To parphrase what I think you said. I agree Schoeps mics tend to sound
"better" than Soundfield mics.
Re the relitave merits of B-format compared to Double MS.
Do bear in mind it is very easy to convert DMS to Horizontal only B-format=
(IE no "Z"). If you prefer to use B-format tools/plug-in's, rather than the=
very good & free Schoeps VST.
The maths
W =3D Front + Back cardioid
X and Y, will depend on how you orientate the mic. But will be:--
Front - Back cardioid
The Fig8 mic
J
Marinos Koutsomichalis --
I' ve worked extensively with the ST-250 but not with the schoeps double MS=
,
however I' d like to express some thoughts
the schoeps are supposed to be top-notch microphones (and as I can tell fro=
m
a couple of recordings I heard once - they ARE top-notch). I have the
impression that the soundfield sounds a bit artificial if compared with the=
schoeps, but my experience is very limited to jump into conclusions
But I find the comparison totally misleading, as the two systems are
completely different in terms of objective and potential. The schoepps
system deliver double MS while the soundfield is an ambisonics mike. It can=
deliver b-format out-of-the-box, while the schoeps just cannot.
so what exactly are we comparing ?
a soundfield recording can be decoded for a full-sphere rig of say 16
speakers resulting in a 3d immersive sound experience. While it is possible=
to do some alchemy and have a doubleMS recording played back accordingly, I=
doubt whether the result would be of equal interest (at least in terms of
faithful localization)
a doubleMS rig is in essence 2-dimensional while soundfield is a
3-dimensional mike
So if you want to work with ambisonic rigs, then a doubleMS system is no
good at all.. On the other hand, somebody into the film industry would
normally prefer doubleMS (I guess) over b-format for reasons of
standardization.
m
On 22 Jul 2011, at 00:52, emil klotzsch wrote:
> what do you mean with "new" double ms system. do you mean that you
> have bought it recently or that schoeps has a new one?
> i did not know they changed anything with their double ms system...
>
> and secondly, don=B4t you had ever trouble with the relative high noise
> of the schoeps eight figure? (18dba..)
> just curious how other recordists handle that..
>
>
> Am 18.07.2011 um 07:54 schrieb Martyn Stewart:
>
>>
>> This is a sample from the new Schoeps Double MS system.
>> Recorded today (17th July) you can hear the difference between a
>> good microphone system in a quiet environment compared to the B-
>> Format microphone system of the new ST450 soundfield microphone
>> found here..
>> This is a 5 minute soundscape of a quiet environment found at
>> Stossel creek, Washington. info found below.
>> Location: stossel creek
>> Date: 2011-07-17
>> Time: 18:00
>> State: WA
>> Description: evening at stossel creek
>> Habitat: ponds/coniferous
>> VoxType: evening
>> Category: soundscape
>> Recorder: SD 788t
>> Mics: schoeps double MS
>> Sample rate: 48k 24 bit
>> Microphone pattern: Double MS stereo-4 channel
>> Take# 1
>> Anthrophony: airplane/traffic/04:03 passing truck/6:37 plane/7:50
>> plane/14:00 plane/14:49 passing truck/16:20 plane/18:15 plane/26:30
>> plane/
>> Geophony: light rain/
>> Biophony: song sparrow/swainsons thrush/common yellowthroat/American
>> robin/8:50 swainsons thrush song/10:40 unknown trill/11:04 high
>> pitched robin calls/15:39 common yellowthroat song/25:20 Douglas
>> squirrel/26:10 red winged blackbird chips/
>> Weather: overcast
>> Temp: 58f
>> Humidity: 87%
>> Wind: calm
>> GPS:
>> Recordist: Martyn Stewart
>> Notes: inserted -30 db tone at beginning of the recording/ Mic
>> suspension with Rycote windjammer and gitzo tripod/monitored without
>> headphones/
>> Facebook
>> NOTE
>> If you would like to download this track for free, please go to this
>> link and download the original Double MS recording in 4 channels
>>
>> Martyn
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Martyn Stewart
>> www.naturesound.org
>> www.soundofcritters.com
>>
>> 425-898-0462
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>>
>>
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Marinos Koutsomichalis
Music Research Center, University of York
Contemporary Music Research Centre (CMRC)
Faculty of Music Technology & Acoustics - TEI of Crete
www.marinoskoutsomichalis.com
www.agxivatein.com
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