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Re: Schoeps Double MS sample

Subject: Re: Schoeps Double MS sample
From: "Marinos Koutsomichalis" marinoskouts=
omichalis
Date: Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:18 pm ((PDT))

I' ve worked extensively with the ST-250 but not with the schoeps double MS=
, however I' d like to express some thoughts

the schoeps are supposed to be top-notch microphones (and as I can tell fro=
m a couple of recordings I heard once - they ARE top-notch). I have the imp=
ression that the soundfield sounds a bit artificial if compared with the sc=
hoeps, but my experience is very limited to jump into conclusions

But I find the comparison totally misleading, as the two systems are comple=
tely different in terms of objective and potential. The schoepps system del=
iver double MS while the soundfield is an ambisonics mike. It can deliver b=
-format out-of-the-box, while the schoeps just cannot.

so what exactly are we comparing ?

a soundfield recording can be decoded for a full-sphere rig of say 16 speak=
ers resulting in a 3d immersive sound experience. While it is possible to d=
o some alchemy and have a doubleMS recording played back accordingly, I dou=
bt whether the result would be of equal interest (at least in terms of fait=
hful localization)

a doubleMS rig is in essence 2-dimensional while soundfield is a 3-dimensio=
nal mike

So if you want to work with ambisonic rigs, then a doubleMS system is no go=
od at all..  On the other hand, somebody into the film industry would norma=
lly prefer doubleMS (I guess) over b-format for reasons of standardization.

m

On 22 Jul 2011, at 00:52, emil klotzsch wrote:

> what do you mean with "new" double ms system. do you mean that you
> have bought it recently or that schoeps has a new one?
> i did not know they changed anything with their double ms system...
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> and secondly, don=B4t you had ever trouble with the relative high noise =

> of the schoeps eight figure? (18dba..)
> just curious how other recordists handle that..
>
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> Am 18.07.2011 um 07:54 schrieb Martyn Stewart:
>
>> http://naturesound.org/?p=3D579
>>
>> This is a sample from the new Schoeps Double MS system.
>> Recorded today (17th July) you can hear the difference between a
>> good microphone system in a quiet environment compared to the B-
>> Format microphone system of the new ST450 soundfield microphone
>> found here..
>> This is a 5 minute soundscape of a quiet environment found at
>> Stossel creek, Washington. info found below.
>> Location: stossel creek
>> Date: 2011-07-17
>> Time: 18:00
>> State: WA
>> Description: evening at stossel creek
>> Habitat: ponds/coniferous
>> VoxType: evening
>> Category: soundscape
>> Recorder: SD 788t
>> Mics: schoeps double MS
>> Sample rate: 48k 24 bit
>> Microphone pattern: Double MS stereo-4 channel
>> Take# 1
>> Anthrophony: airplane/traffic/04:03 passing truck/6:37 plane/7:50
>> plane/14:00 plane/14:49 passing truck/16:20 plane/18:15 plane/26:30
>> plane/
>> Geophony: light rain/
>> Biophony: song sparrow/swainsons thrush/common yellowthroat/American =

>> robin/8:50 swainsons thrush song/10:40 unknown trill/11:04 high
>> pitched robin calls/15:39 common yellowthroat song/25:20 Douglas
>> squirrel/26:10 red winged blackbird chips/
>> Weather: overcast
>> Temp: 58f
>> Humidity: 87%
>> Wind: calm
>> GPS:
>> Recordist: Martyn Stewart
>> Notes: inserted -30 db tone at beginning of the recording/ Mic
>> suspension with Rycote windjammer and gitzo tripod/monitored without =

>> headphones/
>> Facebook
>> NOTE
>> If you would like to download this track for free, please go to this =

>> link and download the original Double MS recording in 4 channels
>>
>> Martyn
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Martyn Stewart
>> www.naturesound.org
>> www.soundofcritters.com
>>
>> 425-898-0462
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Marinos Koutsomichalis
Music Research Center, University of York
Contemporary Music Research Centre (CMRC)
Faculty of Music Technology & Acoustics - TEI of Crete
www.marinoskoutsomichalis.com
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