Yes, Bernie, such things are always difficult to know for sure. There
are misleading spec's and rumors.
That is why I ask if someone knows for sure.
Klas.
At 18:07 2009-07-12, you wrote:
>The only info I have on the LS-10 bass cut was from an earlier posting
>on the list some months ago that detailed what the manufacturer had
>integrated into their program.
>
>Bernie
>
>
>On Jul 12, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for comments! It's just the kind of comments that I need.
> > Remember that I used the LS-10 base filter!
> > Bernie also claims that LS-10 has a built in base filter which is
> > "in" all the time.
> > Is that right?
> >
> > Note that the file "......-filtrered.MP3" has a EQ - 3 db at 4 kHz
> > and + 6 db at 100 Hz and a bit of shuffling with a Wavelab S1
> > shuffler plug-in.
> >
> > Klas.
> >
> > At 05:27 2009-07-12, you wrote:
> > >Hi Klas--
> > >
> > >The main difference I notice is some additional
> > >lower mid-range "roar" in MKH 30-40 compared to
> > >your binaural rig. The space created by the
> > >binaural rig seems larger/airier possibly because
> > >one can hear more of the higher registers of the
> > >sound reflections in the 240-900Hz range. Of
> > >course, the ambience could be quite different
> > >between the takes but I suspect some of this
> > >difference would show-up consistently.
> > >
> > >I haven't studied all of the takes you've made
> > >with your new mic, but its has some very nice
> > >qualities for recording ambience. The spread
> > >across the center seems quite good. I agree with
> > >everyone that its quite bright and I see that as
> > >a good thing. I'm not hearing brittleness and I'd
> > >rather have more presence 2K to 5K than a
> > >deficit. I frequently add HF curves to many mics
> > >in post anyway, especially when used in dense
> > >vegetation. I think Dan has pointed out some HF
> > >tonal emphasis in the EM-23's. Its not as big of
> > >a concern to me as it was in the days before
> > >digital EQ plugs.
> > >
> > >It would be ideal if the brightness could be
> > >balanced with a little more deep bass response.
> > >(My obsession with lowest octaves is not typical
> > >for nature recordists, however). Its hard to
> > >judge the relative low bass response without
> > >more control between samples and a M-S matrix can
> > >be weighted more towards the figure 8 or cardioid.
> > >
> > >I'd be happy to experiment with some EQ and make
> > >some more observations but it would be probably
> > >be more reliable to work from the original, pre
> > >normalization, shuffling etc.
> > >
> > >There certainly is a big need for such a mic!
> > >Exciting that you are working on it. Rob D.
> > >
> > > =3D =3D =3D =3D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 1:49 AM +0200 7/12/09, Klas Strandberg wrote:
> > > >Hi Rob and thanks for participating!
> > > >
> > > >I listened to the shorter file.
> > > >
> > > >Yes, MS and this crazy set up that I tested does not sound the
> > same.
> > > >On the other hand I don=B4t think background sound and ambience was
> > the
> > > >same either.
> > > >
> > > >The mike was an experiment to be evaluated when I took it to Murie
> > > >Center. As Bernie jumped up and down out of happiness when he
> > > >recorded the aspen leaves, (even though he said he hated me...) we
> > > >made jokes about what we were going to call it and it ended up in
> > MurieMike.
> > > >It works for some purposes. It runs on the LS-10 PIP, makes some 14
> > > >dB(A) noise and is extremely easy to use and reliable. The question
> > > >is if it works as a soundscape mike in general?
> > > >That is, - does it sound "realistic" enough? Or "nice".
> > > >An how can the sound be manipulated by software?
> > > >
> > > >As it is, I tend to judge that high freq. are too separate, like
> > the
> > > >rain is to the right and left, but less straight
> > > >forward. This can be adjusted.
> > > >
> > > >It is extremely difficult to judge over ones own design. Hearing is
> > > >too subjective and when you have listened to the same mike a number
> > > >of times you get "deaf" both for it=B4s qualities and shortcomings.
> > > >Comments from others are invaluable.
> > > >
> > > >Klas.
> > > >
> > > >At 01:04 2009-07-12, you wrote:
> > > >>Kevin wrote:
> > > >> >I've posted two related podcasts at www.7Loons.com:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Lincoln's Sparrow, at the same location as Klas' recording but
> > on the
> > > >> >next day, done with a Sony PCM D1 using the built in XY
> > configuration
> > > >> >mics -
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > ><http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_B
> irder > >http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Bir=
der
> > > >> s%3A_Podcasts/Entries/2009/7/5_Lincoln
> > > >> >'s_Sparrow_at_Grand_Teton_National_Park%2C_WY.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> >and
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Two Oceans Lake, at a very near location with SD 722 and
> > Sennheiser
> > > >> >30/40 MS pair -
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > ><http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_B
> irder > >http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Bir=
der
> > > >> s%3A_Podcasts/Entries/
> > 2009/7/8_Two_Oceans_Lake,_Grand_Teton_NP,_WY.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Kevin
> > > >> >www.7Loons.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I sent two soundscape files to
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >><http://www.telinga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm>http://www.tel
> > > inga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Klas.
> > > > > >>
> > > >> >> Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > > >> >> S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > > > > >> Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > > >> >> email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
> > > >> > > website: www.telinga.com
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Hi Kevin & Klas--
> > > >>Thanks for sharing the samples, fellows. I took
> > > >>Klas's Two Ocean's_Lake_Short.mp3 and Kevin's Two
> > > >>Oceans Lake, WY 090623.mp3 and cut back & forth
> > > >>between them on a movie timeline. Not scientific
> > > >>but it could help make some of the differences in
> > > >>the micing systems more evident. Rob D.
> > > >>
> > > >><https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn>h
> > > ttps://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn'sM-
> > S_Sor3LrgSz.mov
> > > >>Its large (20mb) and a QuickTime move. (Sorry about that Klas.)
> > > >>
> > > >>Here is the same comparison as just a mp3
> > > >>starting with Klas' binaural rig and alternating
> > > >>back and forth with Kevin's MKH 39-40 M-S Rig.
> > > >>
> > > >><https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Ke
> vn%2> >
> 7sM-S.mp3>https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn=
%27sM-S.mp3
> > > >>
> > > >>Rob D.
> > > >>--
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > > >>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via
> > Bernie Krause
> > > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > > >S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > > >Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > > >email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
> > > >website: www.telinga.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------
> > >
> > >"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > >sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> > Krause
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > email:
> > website: www.telinga.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause
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