Thanks for comments! It's just the kind of comments that I need.
Remember that I used the LS-10 base filter!
Bernie also claims that LS-10 has a built in base filter which is
"in" all the time.
Is that right?
Note that the file "......-filtrered.MP3" has a EQ - 3 db at 4 kHz
and + 6 db at 100 Hz and a bit of shuffling with a Wavelab S1 shuffler plug=
-in.
Klas.
At 05:27 2009-07-12, you wrote:
>Hi Klas--
>
>The main difference I notice is some additional
>lower mid-range "roar" in MKH 30-40 compared to
>your binaural rig. The space created by the
>binaural rig seems larger/airier possibly because
>one can hear more of the higher registers of the
>sound reflections in the 240-900Hz range. Of
>course, the ambience could be quite different
>between the takes but I suspect some of this
>difference would show-up consistently.
>
>I haven't studied all of the takes you've made
>with your new mic, but its has some very nice
>qualities for recording ambience. The spread
>across the center seems quite good. I agree with
>everyone that its quite bright and I see that as
>a good thing. I'm not hearing brittleness and I'd
>rather have more presence 2K to 5K than a
>deficit. I frequently add HF curves to many mics
>in post anyway, especially when used in dense
>vegetation. I think Dan has pointed out some HF
>tonal emphasis in the EM-23's. Its not as big of
>a concern to me as it was in the days before
>digital EQ plugs.
>
>It would be ideal if the brightness could be
>balanced with a little more deep bass response.
>(My obsession with lowest octaves is not typical
>for nature recordists, however). Its hard to
>judge the relative low bass response without
>more control between samples and a M-S matrix can
>be weighted more towards the figure 8 or cardioid.
>
>I'd be happy to experiment with some EQ and make
>some more observations but it would be probably
>be more reliable to work from the original, pre
>normalization, shuffling etc.
>
>There certainly is a big need for such a mic!
>Exciting that you are working on it. Rob D.
>
> =3D =3D =3D =3D
>
>
>
>
>At 1:49 AM +0200 7/12/09, Klas Strandberg wrote:
> >Hi Rob and thanks for participating!
> >
> >I listened to the shorter file.
> >
> >Yes, MS and this crazy set up that I tested does not sound the same.
> >On the other hand I don=B4t think background sound and ambience was the
> >same either.
> >
> >The mike was an experiment to be evaluated when I took it to Murie
> >Center. As Bernie jumped up and down out of happiness when he
> >recorded the aspen leaves, (even though he said he hated me...) we
> >made jokes about what we were going to call it and it ended up in MurieM=
ike.
> >It works for some purposes. It runs on the LS-10 PIP, makes some 14
> >dB(A) noise and is extremely easy to use and reliable. The question
> >is if it works as a soundscape mike in general?
> >That is, - does it sound "realistic" enough? Or "nice".
> >An how can the sound be manipulated by software?
> >
> >As it is, I tend to judge that high freq. are too separate, like the
> >rain is to the right and left, but less straight
> >forward. This can be adjusted.
> >
> >It is extremely difficult to judge over ones own design. Hearing is
> >too subjective and when you have listened to the same mike a number
> >of times you get "deaf" both for it=B4s qualities and shortcomings.
> >Comments from others are invaluable.
> >
> >Klas.
> >
> >At 01:04 2009-07-12, you wrote:
> >>Kevin wrote:
> >> >I've posted two related podcasts at www.7Loons.com:
> >> >
> >> >Lincoln's Sparrow, at the same location as Klas' recording but on th=
e
> >> >next day, done with a Sony PCM D1 using the built in XY configuratio=
n
> >> >mics -
> >> >
> >>
> ><http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder>h=
ttp://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder
> >> s%3A_Podcasts/Entries/2009/7/5_Lincoln
> >> >'s_Sparrow_at_Grand_Teton_National_Park%2C_WY.html
> >> >
> >> >and
> >> >
> >> >Two Oceans Lake, at a very near location with SD 722 and Sennheiser
> >> >30/40 MS pair -
> >> >
> >>
> ><http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder>h=
ttp://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder
> >> s%3A_Podcasts/Entries/2009/7/8_Two_Oceans_Lake,_Grand_Teton_NP,_WY.ht=
ml
> >> >
> >> >Kevin
> >> >www.7Loons.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I sent two soundscape files to
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >><http://www.telinga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm>http://www.tel
> inga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> Klas.
> > > >>
> >> >> Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >> >> S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > > >> Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >> >> email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
> >> > > website: www.telinga.com
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Kevin & Klas--
> >>Thanks for sharing the samples, fellows. I took
> >>Klas's Two Ocean's_Lake_Short.mp3 and Kevin's Two
> >>Oceans Lake, WY 090623.mp3 and cut back & forth
> >>between them on a movie timeline. Not scientific
> >>but it could help make some of the differences in
> >>the micing systems more evident. Rob D.
> >>
> >><https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn>h
> ttps://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn'sM-S_Sor3L=
rgSz.mov
> >>Its large (20mb) and a QuickTime move. (Sorry about that Klas.)
> >>
> >>Here is the same comparison as just a mp3
> >>starting with Klas' binaural rig and alternating
> >>back and forth with Kevin's MKH 39-40 M-S Rig.
> >>
> >><https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn%2
> 7sM-S.mp3>https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn=
%27sM-S.mp3
> >>
> >>Rob D.
> >>--
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------------
> >>
> >>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Kraus=
e
> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> >Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
> >website: www.telinga.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
email:
website: www.telinga.com
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