Klas--
I used your, "Two_Oceans_Lake_short.aif" file in the comparisons.
If you are interested in feedback on the native
response, you can email me an original .wav and
I'll post it for people to access. Up to 10 mb is
okay. <>
I believe that Hi-MD recorders also "roll-off" a
good part of the lowest two octaves. Rob D.
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At 5:49 PM +0200 7/12/09, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>Thanks for comments! It's just the kind of comments that I need.
>Remember that I used the LS-10 base filter!
>Bernie also claims that LS-10 has a built in base filter which is
>"in" all the time.
>Is that right?
>
>Note that the file "......-filtrered.MP3" has a EQ - 3 db at 4 kHz
>and + 6 db at 100 Hz and a bit of shuffling with
>a Wavelab S1 shuffler plug-in.
>
>Klas.
>
>At 05:27 2009-07-12, you wrote:
>>Hi Klas--
>>
>>The main difference I notice is some additional
>>lower mid-range "roar" in MKH 30-40 compared to
>>your binaural rig. The space created by the
>>binaural rig seems larger/airier possibly because
>>one can hear more of the higher registers of the
>>sound reflections in the 240-900Hz range. Of
>>course, the ambience could be quite different
>>between the takes but I suspect some of this
>>difference would show-up consistently.
>>
>>I haven't studied all of the takes you've made
>>with your new mic, but its has some very nice
>>qualities for recording ambience. The spread
>>across the center seems quite good. I agree with
>>everyone that its quite bright and I see that as
>>a good thing. I'm not hearing brittleness and I'd
>>rather have more presence 2K to 5K than a
>>deficit. I frequently add HF curves to many mics
>>in post anyway, especially when used in dense
>>vegetation. I think Dan has pointed out some HF
>>tonal emphasis in the EM-23's. Its not as big of
>>a concern to me as it was in the days before
>>digital EQ plugs.
>>
>>It would be ideal if the brightness could be
>>balanced with a little more deep bass response.
>>(My obsession with lowest octaves is not typical
>>for nature recordists, however). Its hard to
>>judge the relative low bass response without
>>more control between samples and a M-S matrix can
>>be weighted more towards the figure 8 or cardioid.
>>
>>I'd be happy to experiment with some EQ and make
>>some more observations but it would be probably
>>be more reliable to work from the original, pre
>>normalization, shuffling etc.
>>
>>There certainly is a big need for such a mic!
>>Exciting that you are working on it. Rob D.
>>
>> =3D =3D =3D =3D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 1:49 AM +0200 7/12/09, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>> >Hi Rob and thanks for participating!
>> >
>> >I listened to the shorter file.
>> >
>> >Yes, MS and this crazy set up that I tested does not sound the same.
>> >On the other hand I don=B4t think background sound and ambience was th=
e
>> >same either.
>> >
>> >The mike was an experiment to be evaluated when I took it to Murie
>> >Center. As Bernie jumped up and down out of happiness when he
>> >recorded the aspen leaves, (even though he said he hated me...) we
>> >made jokes about what we were going to call
>>it and it ended up in MurieMike.
>> >It works for some purposes. It runs on the LS-10 PIP, makes some 14
>> >dB(A) noise and is extremely easy to use and reliable. The question
>> >is if it works as a soundscape mike in general?
>> >That is, - does it sound "realistic" enough? Or "nice".
>> >An how can the sound be manipulated by software?
>> >
>> >As it is, I tend to judge that high freq. are too separate, like the
>> >rain is to the right and left, but less straight
>> >forward. This can be adjusted.
>> >
>> >It is extremely difficult to judge over ones own design. Hearing is
>> >too subjective and when you have listened to the same mike a number
>> >of times you get "deaf" both for it=B4s qualities and shortcomings.
>> >Comments from others are invaluable.
>> >
>> >Klas.
>> >
>> >At 01:04 2009-07-12, you wrote:
>> >>Kevin wrote:
>> >> >I've posted two related podcasts at www.7Loons.com:
>> >> >
>> >> >Lincoln's Sparrow, at the same location as Klas' recording but on t=
he
> > >> >next day, done with a Sony PCM D1 using the built in XY configurat=
ion
>> >> >mics -
> > >> >
>> >>
>> ><<http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder>=
http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder><http:/=
/www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder>http://www.7l=
oons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder
>> >> s%3A_Podcasts/Entries/2009/7/5_Lincoln
>> >> >'s_Sparrow_at_Grand_Teton_National_Park%2C_WY.html
>> >> >
>> >> >and
>> >> >
>> >> >Two Oceans Lake, at a very near location with SD 722 and Sennheiser
>> >> >30/40 MS pair -
>> >> >
>> >>
>> ><<http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder>=
http://www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder><http:/=
/www.7loons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder>http://www.7l=
oons.com/Soundscapes_for_Birders/Soundscape_for_Birder
>> >> s%3A_Podcasts/Entries/2009/7/8_Two_Oceans_Lake,_Grand_Teton_NP,_WY.h=
tml
>> >> >
>> >> >Kevin
>> >> >www.7Loons.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I sent two soundscape files to
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >><<http://www.telinga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm>http://www.telin=
ga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm><http://www.tel>http://www.tel
>> inga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Klas.
>> > > >>
>> >> >> Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
>> >> >> S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
>> > > >> Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
>> >> >> email:
>><telinga%40bahnhof.se><telinga%40bahnhof.se>=
.se
>> >> > > website: www.telinga.com
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Hi Kevin & Klas--
>> >>Thanks for sharing the samples, fellows. I took
>> >>Klas's Two Ocean's_Lake_Short.mp3 and Kevin's Two
>> >>Oceans Lake, WY 090623.mp3 and cut back & forth
>> >>between them on a movie timeline. Not scientific
>> >>but it could help make some of the differences in
>> >>the micing systems more evident. Rob D.
>> >>
>> >><<https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn>htt=
ps://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn>h
>>
>><ttps://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn>ttps://pa=
ntherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn'sM-S_Sor3LrgSz.mov
>> >>Its large (20mb) and a QuickTime move. (Sorry about that Klas.)
>> >>
>> >>Here is the same comparison as just a mp3
>> >>starting with Klas' binaural rig and alternating
>> >>back and forth with Kevin's MKH 39-40 M-S Rig.
>> >>
>> >><<https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn%2>h=
ttps://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kevn%2
>>
>>7sM-S.mp3><https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kev=
n%27sM-S.mp3>https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/media/KlasBinaural_Kev=
n%27sM-S.mp3
>> >>
>> >>Rob D.
>> >>--
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>> >>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Kra=
use
>> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
>> >S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
>> >Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
>> >email:
>><telinga%40bahnhof.se><telinga%40bahnhof.se>=
.se
>> >website: www.telinga.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------
>>
>>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
>S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
>Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
>email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
>website: www.telinga.com
>
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