bruce, say, what mics do you use? (and are you happy with them?:-))
for me its equal, i want to record sounds which won=B4t be moving...
most of the times.
you write that its a pain to set up the microphones, but why not use
a Positioning device for stereo recordings like the M100 C or the UMS
20 from shoeps. should be easy to set up with this...
Am 21.08.2006 um 01:46 schrieb Bruce Wilson:
> I use two free mics like you mention. It's true, you have many more
> options
> for placement and control of the stereo field. But set up and
> moving them is
> a total pain! Also, there are many times I don't want the entire
> stereo
> field. If the source is in one direction, the (relatively) narrow
> field of
> the MS setup helps isolate the sound of interest. True, sometimes
> I'll use
> Blumlein or XY to get an entire room (or canyon, or cavern), or
> ORTF when I
> want a 180 degree soundscape, but when I want one sound it's always
> MS.
>
> So I go for two separate mics because I rarely want just a single
> sound. My
> recording mirrors my photography-I shoot rocks and trees, and I
> listen to
> rocks and trees, things which tend to still be there in the five
> minutes it
> takes to set up. The many who try for animals and birds are FAR
> better off
> with a portable, fast-in-the-field MS set.
>
> Bruce Wilson KF7K
> http://science.uvsc.edu/wilson
>
> On Aug 20, 2006, at 11:58 AM, evs wrote:
>
> i=B4m not a so big fan of MS. maybe i=B4m not
> > experienced enough, but i got a few reasons:
> > i find other stereo recordings are more easy to handle (other wise i
> > got to have the ms plugin in sound miner on... well, its not soo
> > hard;-)),
> > but its maybe just a thing i have to get used to.
> > the other thing about ms, is that i thought is that the recordings
> > are not so wide like A B Stereo, which is beside ortf another way i
> > would do with two cardioids.
> > also i thought that with two "free" microphones you are more
> flexibel
> > in doing different stereo recordings (ortf, ab, xy...) which is a
> > plus...
> > when i did some ms recordings, (which is a while ago,) they never
> > sounded as wide as a AB recording.
> >
> > on the other hand you can tweak the ms signal if it should be
> wide or
> > not so wide. and you have it both in one suspension. thats a plus
> for
> > MS. hm. a lot to think about.
> >
> > right at the moment i have a mkh 416 here. theres a option that i
> can
> > have it cheaply. but i guess the mkh 40 or 50 is way better, and
> less
> > noisy?
> > or is the combination mkh 416 / mkh 30 also a good way?
> >
> > i just was on the web site from walter kanpp (http://
> > frogrecordist.home.mindspring.com/docs/samples.html) and the
> > combination mkh 60/mkh 30 sounded for me much better than the mkh
> 40/
> > mkh 30 combination. i guess the mkh 50/ mkh 30 combination sounds
> > more like the 60/30 than the 40/30...? the mkh 80/mkh80 combination
> > sounds the best. oh my good. but thats too much money right at the
> > moment. but this is sounding incredible!
> >
> > maybe there is another mic option which are as silent as the
> > sennheiser? maybe a little more cheaper that them?:-) anyone any
> > ideas?
> >
> > opinions more than welcome!
> > evs
> >
> > Am 20.08.2006 um 19:38 schrieb Tim Nielsen:
> >
> > > Welcome to the group.
> > >
> > > Get the 722. The mic preamps are absolutely superb, among the
> > > quietest I've ever heard. I had previously used a Grace Design
> > > Lunatec V2, considered probably the best portable preamp ever
> made,
> > > and the 722's preamps were close enough to that, I have never used
> > > the V2 again. The 722's preamps are quite transparent, and very
> very
> > > quiet.
> > >
> > > As for mics, I recently did a test between my Schoeps MS rig,
> and a
> > > friend's Neumann MS rig, using the KM100 series mics. What we
> found
> > > was that they were sonically so similar, that they could be
> intercut
> > > with almost no difference. So I think between them, it's just
> > > preference. The Neumann's are slightly cheaper.
> > >
> > > But I would strongly suggest you consider an MS rig using the
> > > Sennheiser MKH series. They're noticeably quieter than the
> > Schoeps or
> > > Neumanns. If you're really trying to record gentle wind in leaves,
> > > the Neumann's and Schoep's noise of the mic is very possibly
> > going to
> > > be audible. The Sennheisers are much quieter. I think the Schoeps
> > > sound has more 'character' than the Sennheisers, but the Senns are
> > > amazing mics. As others have and will point out, incredibly
> rugged,
> > > nearly immune to humidity problems that may or may not plague
> > Schoeps
> > > and Neumanns (depending on who you ask).
> > >
> > > Also, if you haven't recorded in MS, I think you'd find the stereo
> > > image excellent, and at least as good as ORTF, especially when
> using
> > > good mics.
> > >
> > > So my suggestion:
> > >
> > > 722 Recorder
> > > Sennheiser MS combo of either MKH30/MKH40 or MKH30/MKH50
> > >
> > > On Aug 20, 2006, at 7:12 AM, evs wrote:
> > >
> > > > hello everyone,
> > > > i=B4m new to this great group, this is my first posting, but i
> read
> > > > some postings on the website and did some searchings there,
> > > > but now i have a question, some need for advice...:-)
> > > > i=B4m planning to build my own recording rig.
> > > > i will record mainly ambient. like very quiet wind, air, wind in
> > > > leaves and so on, but my goal is to record quiet sounds, as i=B4m
> > > > missing those things and because i love them.
> > > > (and because i need them for my work. i=B4m into post
> production in
> > > > film)
> > > > for that i think i need good equipment which will give me
> results
> > > > without (much) noise...
> > > > i thought about the sound devices 722 or the fostex fr-2.
> > > > i like the 722, i allready had it in my hands and it feels well
> > > build
> > > > and strong and its handy, which is important to me. and i=B4ve
> heard
> > > > just good things about the mic pre amps.
> > > > the fostex fr-2 looks (on pictures) not so handy, but i=B4ve read
> > > > somewehere in the internet that the mic pre amps and a/d
> > converters
> > > > are as good as the 722. and the fostex cost a 1000,-euro less...
> > > > anyone compared this too recorders against each other? which
> > got the
> > > > better sound quality? any advice which would you take?
> > > >
> > > > coming to microphones, i=B4m thinking of buying a couple of
> > neumann KM
> > > > 184. cardioid is fine for me because i like to record most of
> the
> > > > times in ORTF.
> > > > the shoeps mics are more expensive and as far as i know its a
> > matter
> > > > of taste if you prefer shoeps or neumann.
> > > > beside from that there are some cheap mics like the oktava
> MK-012,
> > > > but i think maybe they will have a little bit too much noise
> > for my
> > > > application and would not be so perfect for recording subtle
> > > sounds...
> > > > is this right? what would you advice me to buy? maybe you
> have an
> > > > option where i did not even think about!
> > > > any advice is welcome!
> > > > all the best
> > > > evs
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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>
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> Loudspeakers are not birds,
> A listening room is not nature."
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