It may be relevant to note that I read an article some months ago, in the
finance pages that Facebook is now seen as an advertising business rather
than a part of the IT industry. That is part of my reasoning for having
nothing to do with them.
Martin
On Thursday, 13 November 2014, Carl Clifford <>
wrote:
> Chris,
>
> FB does not have to steal your content. By posting, you have given them
> permission to do what they want with anything you post. Anyone who
> complains is only welching on the agreement they have made with FB.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
> > On 13 Nov 2014, at 16:47, Chris Sanderson <
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Carl and everyone,
> >
> > This gets trotted out pretty regularly as a reason not to post anything
> on a variety of platforms, including Facebook. I would suggest the idea
> that Facebook has any interest in your particular bird photo is pretty
> ridiculous. While a very loose legal interpretation might be that they are
> entitled to use those photographs you post, this is mainly an ass-covering
> exercise from a legal perspective, as they distribute your photograph to
> friends, friends of friends, or anyone who looks at it, depending on your
> security settings. You are essentially giving them permission to do this.
> >
> > Now, I'm not saying that Facebook doesn't have privacy and data issues
> (they are known to sell your behavioural data to marketers, or even
> manipulate your experience on the site for research purposes), however the
> idea that they would risk a huge media blow-up over stealing someone's
> photos is, to me at least, stretching belief. They make money off people
> who use their site. If you stop producing content for them, or stop using
> their site, they aren't showing you advertising anymore, or aggregating
> your data to sell to marketing people. This is worth far more to them than
> any photograph could be worth. I have no doubt I have earned Facebook more
> revenue just by using it than I have ever made selling photos.
> >
> > Having said all that, if you don't want to post photos on Facebook,
> there's no reason you have to. And if you don't want to be on Facebook at
> all, that's fine too, that's totally your call. Just don't be too
> surprised if you start missing out on the latest in bird news, since that
> seems to be the way things are going at the moment here in Aus.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Carl Clifford <
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> Here is section 1. of Facebook's statement on intellectual property
> rights.
> >> For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, such as
> photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following
> permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us
> a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide
> licence to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with
> Facebook (IP Licence). This IP Licence ends when you delete your IP content
> or your account, unless your content has been shared with others and they
> have not deleted it. the full T&C can be found at
> https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
> >>
> >> I would be very careful about posting anything, text or images on
> Facebook that you would want to possibly want to make money out of in the
> future. they can probably afford bigger and better lawyers than the average
> FB user, and you would have to take them on in the US legal system.
> >>
> >> Carl Clifford
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13 Nov 2014, at 2:52 pm,
> <javascript:;> wrote:
> >>
> >> > That makes Facebook's alternative name "stalkbook" even more
> appropriate, or should that be "storkbook".....
> >> >
> >> > Doesn't everything that goes on facebook, including pictures, become
> the property of facebook and not the "owner" of the photos, etc?
> >> >
> >> > I will stick with B-A, even though Rusty is a blues man... :-)
> >> >
> >> > Yours in all things "green"
> >> >
> >> > John Harris BASc, GDipEd
> >> > Director - Wildlife Experiences P/L
> >> > Principal Zoologist/Ecologist
> >> > Nature Photographer
> >> > Wildlife Guide
> >> > Croydon, Vic
> >> > 0409 090 955
> >> >
> >> > President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria
> >> > www.fncv.org.au
> >> >
> >> > ----- Reply message -----
> >> > From: "Ashwin Rudder" < <javascript:;>>
> >> > To: "John Tongue" < <javascript:;>>
> >> > Cc: " <javascript:;>" <
> <javascript:;>>
> >> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Historic channels
> >> > Date: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 11:57
> >> >
> >> > Hi Peter, and others,
> >> >
> >> > John is right, the majority of the discussion has happened on
> facebook.
> >> > Increasingly I think, there is a shift away from birding-aus for
> several
> >> > reasons. An email list is a relatively slow way of disseminating
> >> > information (much faster than past methods, but much slower than
> something
> >> > like facebook). Most significantly, b-a suffers from not being able to
> >> > handle image files. Almost all of the discussion on the dowitcher's
> ID has
> >> > come from people being able to post photos, add pointers to them, and
> talk
> >> > very quickly, in much more of a conversational style than b-a allows.
> A
> >> > video or two has also been posted.
> >> >
> >> > In terms of how easy it is to retrieve information on facebook: there
> is a
> >> > search function that acts like a find tool in a Microsoft Word
> document (or
> >> > similar), so it looks for any post containing that word, and then
> displays
> >> > the entire thread. In essence, it is no different to searching the
> archives
> >> > of birding-aus, although without any issues of having the subject line
> >> > change halfway through a thread, which can make topics hard to follow
> here.
> >> >
> >> > Obviously, the shift to facebook further fragments the grapevine that
> the
> >> > birding community relies on. However, increasing numbers of people,
> of all
> >> > ages, have facebook and it really is very convenient. Birdline
> remains the
> >> > premier rare bird telegraph page, while this page remains the best
> for in
> >> > depth discussions. One of the great criticisms of facebook by social
> >> > commentators is that it feed the instantaneous me-me-me! attitude of
> the
> >> > yoof; ironically, this is exactly what's needed for rare, twitchable
> birds,
> >> > and that makes modern-day social media the best spot for twitchers.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Ashwin Rudder
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:37 AM, John Tongue <
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Peter, et al,
> >> >> There has been a fair bit of discussion on the "Australian
> Twitchers" FB
> >> >> page. While people keep adding comments to a particular thread,
> that keeps
> >> >> it live and active. I'm not sure what happens to that info some
> time after
> >> >> people stop commenting, and how easy it will prove to be to retrieve.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> John Tongue
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 13/11/2014, at 7:16 AM, Peter Shute <
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Interesting comment below from Ashwin about where the discussion of
> >> >> Victoria's Lake Tutchewop Dowitcher is taking place. I assume
> "historic
> >> >> channels" means the birding-aus list?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Where else is discussion taking place? I've seen plenty of
> discussion in
> >> >> the Victorian Birders Facebook group. Is there anywhere else?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Facebook has the advantage that photos can be posted, but I'm
> wondering
> >> >> if there is any kind of archive being kept. I often can't find a
> Facebook
> >> >> discussion just days after I last looked at it, let alone months or
> years.
> >> >> Is there a way to find them, or is this stuff just getting lost? And
> does
> >> >> it matter?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Peter Shute
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 13 Nov 2014, at 5:03 am, Ashwin Rudder <
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hi all,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I haven't seen anything really up to date posted to b-a; most
> discussion
> >> >>>> seems to have happened away from the historic channels. In summary:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
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