Chris,
FB does not have to steal your content. By posting, you have given them
permission to do what they want with anything you post. Anyone who complains is
only welching on the agreement they have made with FB.
Carl Clifford
> On 13 Nov 2014, at 16:47, Chris Sanderson <> wrote:
>
> Hi Carl and everyone,
>
> This gets trotted out pretty regularly as a reason not to post anything on a
> variety of platforms, including Facebook. I would suggest the idea that
> Facebook has any interest in your particular bird photo is pretty ridiculous.
> While a very loose legal interpretation might be that they are entitled to
> use those photographs you post, this is mainly an ass-covering exercise from
> a legal perspective, as they distribute your photograph to friends, friends
> of friends, or anyone who looks at it, depending on your security settings.
> You are essentially giving them permission to do this.
>
> Now, I'm not saying that Facebook doesn't have privacy and data issues (they
> are known to sell your behavioural data to marketers, or even manipulate your
> experience on the site for research purposes), however the idea that they
> would risk a huge media blow-up over stealing someone's photos is, to me at
> least, stretching belief. They make money off people who use their site. If
> you stop producing content for them, or stop using their site, they aren't
> showing you advertising anymore, or aggregating your data to sell to
> marketing people. This is worth far more to them than any photograph could
> be worth. I have no doubt I have earned Facebook more revenue just by using
> it than I have ever made selling photos.
>
> Having said all that, if you don't want to post photos on Facebook, there's
> no reason you have to. And if you don't want to be on Facebook at all,
> that's fine too, that's totally your call. Just don't be too surprised if
> you start missing out on the latest in bird news, since that seems to be the
> way things are going at the moment here in Aus.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Carl Clifford <>
>> wrote:
>> Here is section 1. of Facebook's statement on intellectual property rights.
>> For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, such as photos
>> and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission,
>> subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a
>> non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide licence
>> to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP
>> Licence). This IP Licence ends when you delete your IP content or your
>> account, unless your content has been shared with others and they have not
>> deleted it. the full T&C can be found at
>> https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
>>
>> I would be very careful about posting anything, text or images on Facebook
>> that you would want to possibly want to make money out of in the future.
>> they can probably afford bigger and better lawyers than the average FB user,
>> and you would have to take them on in the US legal system.
>>
>> Carl Clifford
>>
>>
>> On 13 Nov 2014, at 2:52 pm, wrote:
>>
>> > That makes Facebook's alternative name "stalkbook" even more appropriate,
>> > or should that be "storkbook".....
>> >
>> > Doesn't everything that goes on facebook, including pictures, become the
>> > property of facebook and not the "owner" of the photos, etc?
>> >
>> > I will stick with B-A, even though Rusty is a blues man... :-)
>> >
>> > Yours in all things "green"
>> >
>> > John Harris BASc, GDipEd
>> > Director - Wildlife Experiences P/L
>> > Principal Zoologist/Ecologist
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>> > 0409 090 955
>> >
>> > President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria
>> > www.fncv.org.au
>> >
>> > ----- Reply message -----
>> > From: "Ashwin Rudder" <>
>> > To: "John Tongue" <>
>> > Cc: "" <>
>> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Historic channels
>> > Date: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 11:57
>> >
>> > Hi Peter, and others,
>> >
>> > John is right, the majority of the discussion has happened on facebook.
>> > Increasingly I think, there is a shift away from birding-aus for several
>> > reasons. An email list is a relatively slow way of disseminating
>> > information (much faster than past methods, but much slower than something
>> > like facebook). Most significantly, b-a suffers from not being able to
>> > handle image files. Almost all of the discussion on the dowitcher's ID has
>> > come from people being able to post photos, add pointers to them, and talk
>> > very quickly, in much more of a conversational style than b-a allows. A
>> > video or two has also been posted.
>> >
>> > In terms of how easy it is to retrieve information on facebook: there is a
>> > search function that acts like a find tool in a Microsoft Word document (or
>> > similar), so it looks for any post containing that word, and then displays
>> > the entire thread. In essence, it is no different to searching the archives
>> > of birding-aus, although without any issues of having the subject line
>> > change halfway through a thread, which can make topics hard to follow here.
>> >
>> > Obviously, the shift to facebook further fragments the grapevine that the
>> > birding community relies on. However, increasing numbers of people, of all
>> > ages, have facebook and it really is very convenient. Birdline remains the
>> > premier rare bird telegraph page, while this page remains the best for in
>> > depth discussions. One of the great criticisms of facebook by social
>> > commentators is that it feed the instantaneous me-me-me! attitude of the
>> > yoof; ironically, this is exactly what's needed for rare, twitchable birds,
>> > and that makes modern-day social media the best spot for twitchers.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ashwin Rudder
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:37 AM, John Tongue <> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Peter, et al,
>> >> There has been a fair bit of discussion on the "Australian Twitchers" FB
>> >> page. While people keep adding comments to a particular thread, that
>> >> keeps
>> >> it live and active. I'm not sure what happens to that info some time
>> >> after
>> >> people stop commenting, and how easy it will prove to be to retrieve.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> John Tongue
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 13/11/2014, at 7:16 AM, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Interesting comment below from Ashwin about where the discussion of
>> >> Victoria's Lake Tutchewop Dowitcher is taking place. I assume "historic
>> >> channels" means the birding-aus list?
>> >>>
>> >>> Where else is discussion taking place? I've seen plenty of discussion in
>> >> the Victorian Birders Facebook group. Is there anywhere else?
>> >>>
>> >>> Facebook has the advantage that photos can be posted, but I'm wondering
>> >> if there is any kind of archive being kept. I often can't find a Facebook
>> >> discussion just days after I last looked at it, let alone months or years.
>> >> Is there a way to find them, or is this stuff just getting lost? And does
>> >> it matter?
>> >>>
>> >>> Peter Shute
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 13 Nov 2014, at 5:03 am, Ashwin Rudder <> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I haven't seen anything really up to date posted to b-a; most discussion
>> >>>> seems to have happened away from the historic channels. In summary:
>> >>>>
>> >>>
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