I just ignore the ads. Never seen anything that I am interested in, or really
applies to me. I seem to be immune to advertising.
Carl Clifford
> On 13 Nov 2014, at 18:10, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
>
> It may be relevant to note that I read an article some months ago, in the
> finance pages that Facebook is now seen as an advertising business rather
> than a part of the IT industry. That is part of my reasoning for having
> nothing to do with them.
>
> Martin
>
>> On Thursday, 13 November 2014, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> FB does not have to steal your content. By posting, you have given them
>> permission to do what they want with anything you post. Anyone who complains
>> is only welching on the agreement they have made with FB.
>>
>> Carl Clifford
>>
>> > On 13 Nov 2014, at 16:47, Chris Sanderson <>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Carl and everyone,
>> >
>> > This gets trotted out pretty regularly as a reason not to post anything on
>> > a variety of platforms, including Facebook. I would suggest the idea that
>> > Facebook has any interest in your particular bird photo is pretty
>> > ridiculous. While a very loose legal interpretation might be that they
>> > are entitled to use those photographs you post, this is mainly an
>> > ass-covering exercise from a legal perspective, as they distribute your
>> > photograph to friends, friends of friends, or anyone who looks at it,
>> > depending on your security settings. You are essentially giving them
>> > permission to do this.
>> >
>> > Now, I'm not saying that Facebook doesn't have privacy and data issues
>> > (they are known to sell your behavioural data to marketers, or even
>> > manipulate your experience on the site for research purposes), however the
>> > idea that they would risk a huge media blow-up over stealing someone's
>> > photos is, to me at least, stretching belief. They make money off people
>> > who use their site. If you stop producing content for them, or stop using
>> > their site, they aren't showing you advertising anymore, or aggregating
>> > your data to sell to marketing people. This is worth far more to them
>> > than any photograph could be worth. I have no doubt I have earned
>> > Facebook more revenue just by using it than I have ever made selling
>> > photos.
>> >
>> > Having said all that, if you don't want to post photos on Facebook,
>> > there's no reason you have to. And if you don't want to be on Facebook at
>> > all, that's fine too, that's totally your call. Just don't be too
>> > surprised if you start missing out on the latest in bird news, since that
>> > seems to be the way things are going at the moment here in Aus.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Carl Clifford <>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> Here is section 1. of Facebook's statement on intellectual property
>> >> rights.
>> >> For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, such as
>> >> photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following
>> >> permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant
>> >> us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide
>> >> licence to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with
>> >> Facebook (IP Licence). This IP Licence ends when you delete your IP
>> >> content or your account, unless your content has been shared with others
>> >> and they have not deleted it. the full T&C can be found at
>> >> https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
>> >>
>> >> I would be very careful about posting anything, text or images on
>> >> Facebook that you would want to possibly want to make money out of in the
>> >> future. they can probably afford bigger and better lawyers than the
>> >> average FB user, and you would have to take them on in the US legal
>> >> system.
>> >>
>> >> Carl Clifford
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 13 Nov 2014, at 2:52 pm, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > That makes Facebook's alternative name "stalkbook" even more
>> >> > appropriate, or should that be "storkbook".....
>> >> >
>> >> > Doesn't everything that goes on facebook, including pictures, become
>> >> > the property of facebook and not the "owner" of the photos, etc?
>> >> >
>> >> > I will stick with B-A, even though Rusty is a blues man... :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Yours in all things "green"
>> >> >
>> >> > John Harris BASc, GDipEd
>> >> > Director - Wildlife Experiences P/L
>> >> > Principal Zoologist/Ecologist
>> >> > Nature Photographer
>> >> > Wildlife Guide
>> >> > Croydon, Vic
>> >> > 0409 090 955
>> >> >
>> >> > President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria
>> >> > www.fncv.org.au
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Reply message -----
>> >> > From: "Ashwin Rudder" <>
>> >> > To: "John Tongue" <>
>> >> > Cc: "" <>
>> >> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Historic channels
>> >> > Date: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 11:57
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Peter, and others,
>> >> >
>> >> > John is right, the majority of the discussion has happened on facebook.
>> >> > Increasingly I think, there is a shift away from birding-aus for several
>> >> > reasons. An email list is a relatively slow way of disseminating
>> >> > information (much faster than past methods, but much slower than
>> >> > something
>> >> > like facebook). Most significantly, b-a suffers from not being able to
>> >> > handle image files. Almost all of the discussion on the dowitcher's ID
>> >> > has
>> >> > come from people being able to post photos, add pointers to them, and
>> >> > talk
>> >> > very quickly, in much more of a conversational style than b-a allows. A
>> >> > video or two has also been posted.
>> >> >
>> >> > In terms of how easy it is to retrieve information on facebook: there
>> >> > is a
>> >> > search function that acts like a find tool in a Microsoft Word document
>> >> > (or
>> >> > similar), so it looks for any post containing that word, and then
>> >> > displays
>> >> > the entire thread. In essence, it is no different to searching the
>> >> > archives
>> >> > of birding-aus, although without any issues of having the subject line
>> >> > change halfway through a thread, which can make topics hard to follow
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Obviously, the shift to facebook further fragments the grapevine that
>> >> > the
>> >> > birding community relies on. However, increasing numbers of people, of
>> >> > all
>> >> > ages, have facebook and it really is very convenient. Birdline remains
>> >> > the
>> >> > premier rare bird telegraph page, while this page remains the best for
>> >> > in
>> >> > depth discussions. One of the great criticisms of facebook by social
>> >> > commentators is that it feed the instantaneous me-me-me! attitude of the
>> >> > yoof; ironically, this is exactly what's needed for rare, twitchable
>> >> > birds,
>> >> > and that makes modern-day social media the best spot for twitchers.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Ashwin Rudder
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:37 AM, John Tongue <>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Peter, et al,
>> >> >> There has been a fair bit of discussion on the "Australian Twitchers"
>> >> >> FB
>> >> >> page. While people keep adding comments to a particular thread, that
>> >> >> keeps
>> >> >> it live and active. I'm not sure what happens to that info some time
>> >> >> after
>> >> >> people stop commenting, and how easy it will prove to be to retrieve.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> John Tongue
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 13/11/2014, at 7:16 AM, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Interesting comment below from Ashwin about where the discussion of
>> >> >> Victoria's Lake Tutchewop Dowitcher is taking place. I assume "historic
>> >> >> channels" means the birding-aus list?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Where else is discussion taking place? I've seen plenty of discussion
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >> the Victorian Birders Facebook group. Is there anywhere else?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Facebook has the advantage that photos can be posted, but I'm
>> >> >>> wondering
>> >> >> if there is any kind of archive being kept. I often can't find a
>> >> >> Facebook
>> >> >> discussion just days after I last looked at it, let alone months or
>> >> >> years.
>> >> >> Is there a way to find them, or is this stuff just getting lost? And
>> >> >> does
>> >> >> it matter?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Peter Shute
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On 13 Nov 2014, at 5:03 am, Ashwin Rudder <>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi all,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I haven't seen anything really up to date posted to b-a; most
>> >> >>>> discussion
>> >> >>>> seems to have happened away from the historic channels. In summary:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
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