I'll bet the aborigines could pronounce them.
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On Behalf Of David Stowe
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:28 PM
To: Dave Torr
Cc: Birding Aus; Denise Goodfellow; Mark Carter;
Subject: Re: Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
And surely here lies the problem with using traditional names. I
honestly like the idea, but which language will win and who can
pronounce them??
Cheers
Dave
On 24/11/2009, at 3:46 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
Ah, but we got them back so no reason not to use the local Aboriginal
name.
2009/11/24 Denise Goodfellow <>
> I suggest that seeing Victoria got rid of its Magpie-geese and
> they're so
> important to people like the Kunwinjku in Arnhem Land, that their
> name be
> adopted - Manimanuk.
> Denise
>
>
> on 24/11/09 1:46 PM, at
> wrote:
>
>> Wombats are still badgers in parts of Tasmania!
>>
>> Excellent suggestion Mark. There will be problems with the
>> plethora of
>> Aboriginal languages (and the difficulty English speakers have
> pronouncing
>> Aboriginal words) and differences between their taxonomy and that of
>> Western science but and it shouldn't be too great a task.
>>
>> Consider the following:
>>
>> Western Kulin names (from southwestern Victoria)
>>
>> Maerii - Gang Gang Cockatoo
>> Pirtuup - Sandpiper
>> Wilann - Black Cockatoo [probably Red-tailed]
>>
>> Eastern Kulin names (from central Victoria)
>>
>> Kruk-wor-rum - Snipe
>> Dulum - Black Duck
>> Bath-mum - Wood Duck
>> Uu-gup - King Parrot
>> Barrawarn - Australian Magpie
>> Tee-yung - Rose Robin
>> Nup-nup or Bik-mum - [Magpie] goose
>>
>> Some of the words may not use the linguistically preferred spelling
>> but
> you
>> should get an idea of what could work.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Carter
>> <markthomascarter
>> @yahoo.co.uk>
> To
>> Sent by:
>> birding-aus-bounc
> cc
>>
>>
> Subject
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re
>> 'Jabiru'
>> 24/11/09 01:55 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Philip Veerman's post- the confusing 'Jabiru' is just
>> the
> tip
>> of the iceberg when it comes to Australian bird common names. I think
>> settlers did Australian birds a great diservice when they set about
> naming
>> them after the vaguely similar species of elsewhere but it was
>> understandible. What I don't understand is the way 21st century
> ornithology
>> persists with these clumsy confusing labels. A Red-capped Robin is
>> not a
>> robin in much the same way than a Koala bear is not a bear.
>> Mammologists
>> have gotten over this dodgy inheritance years ago- native cats are
>> now
>> almost universally renamed quolls, marsupial mice are now dunnarts
>> (or
>> antichinus or psuedo antichinus or...) and porcupines are now
>> echidnas.
>> Australian birds such as shrike-thrushes, woodswallows, wrens, chats,
>> magpies, babblers and treecreepers are intrinsically awesome and
>> don't
>> deserve to be encumbered by these clumsy, 2nd hand, confusing and
>> often
>> dreadful misnomers (shrike-thrush particularly makes me cringe).
>> These is
> a
>> vast and rich source of authentic names in the many Aboriginal
>> languages
> of
>> our continent- is it outragous to suggest we consider this?
>>
>> Mark Carter
>> Alice Springs
>>
>>
>
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>> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:24 +1100
>> From: "Philip Veerman" <>
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
>> To: "'Tony Russell'" <>
>> Cc: "Birding-aus \(E-mail\)" <>
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>>
>> Surely their proper name is the Australian Black Satin-necked non-
>> jabiru
>> Stork. (joke)
>>
>> Why doesn't some book author take the initiative to rename some bird
>> groups to simpler things, like rename the Cuckoo-shrikes as Cush e.g.
>> "Black-faced Cush" and likewise invent other new names, so we can
>> dispense with all those silly names like "Cuckoo-shrike" (not a
>> joke).
>> After all, names are just labels, why not have distinctive ones that
>> don't give wrong impressions.
>>
>> Philip Veerman
>> 24 Castley Circuit
>> Kambah ACT 2902
>>
>> 02 - 62314041
>>
>>
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