I am sure we could learn to pronounce them - but unless a species is endemic
to one language area then it would not be easy to solve.
2009/11/24 David Stowe <>
> And surely here lies the problem with using traditional names.
> I honestly like the idea, but which language will win and who can pronounce
> them??
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
> On 24/11/2009, at 3:46 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
>
> Ah, but we got them back so no reason not to use the local Aboriginal name.
>
> 2009/11/24 Denise Goodfellow <>
>
> I suggest that seeing Victoria got rid of its Magpie-geese and they're so
>> important to people like the Kunwinjku in Arnhem Land, that their name be
>> adopted - Manimanuk.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 24/11/09 1:46 PM, at
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wombats are still badgers in parts of Tasmania!
>>>
>>> Excellent suggestion Mark. There will be problems with the plethora of
>>> Aboriginal languages (and the difficulty English speakers have
>>>
>> pronouncing
>>
>>> Aboriginal words) and differences between their taxonomy and that of
>>> Western science but and it shouldn't be too great a task.
>>>
>>> Consider the following:
>>>
>>> Western Kulin names (from southwestern Victoria)
>>>
>>> Maerii - Gang Gang Cockatoo
>>> Pirtuup - Sandpiper
>>> Wilann - Black Cockatoo [probably Red-tailed]
>>>
>>> Eastern Kulin names (from central Victoria)
>>>
>>> Kruk-wor-rum - Snipe
>>> Dulum - Black Duck
>>> Bath-mum - Wood Duck
>>> Uu-gup - King Parrot
>>> Barrawarn - Australian Magpie
>>> Tee-yung - Rose Robin
>>> Nup-nup or Bik-mum - [Magpie] goose
>>>
>>> Some of the words may not use the linguistically preferred spelling but
>>>
>> you
>>
>>> should get an idea of what could work.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Carter
>>> <markthomascarter
>>> @yahoo.co.uk>
>>>
>> To
>>
>>> Sent by:
>>> birding-aus-bounc
>>>
>> cc
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject
>>
>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
>>> 24/11/09 01:55 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with Philip Veerman's post- the confusing 'Jabiru' is just the
>>>
>> tip
>>
>>> of the iceberg when it comes to Australian bird common names. I think
>>> settlers did Australian birds a great diservice when they set about
>>>
>> naming
>>
>>> them after the vaguely similar species of elsewhere but it was
>>> understandible. What I don't understand is the way 21st century
>>>
>> ornithology
>>
>>> persists with these clumsy confusing labels. A Red-capped Robin is not a
>>> robin in much the same way than a Koala bear is not a bear. Mammologists
>>> have gotten over this dodgy inheritance years ago- native cats are now
>>> almost universally renamed quolls, marsupial mice are now dunnarts (or
>>> antichinus or psuedo antichinus or...) and porcupines are now echidnas.
>>> Australian birds such as shrike-thrushes, woodswallows, wrens, chats,
>>> magpies, babblers and treecreepers are intrinsically awesome and don't
>>> deserve to be encumbered by these clumsy, 2nd hand, confusing and often
>>> dreadful misnomers (shrike-thrush particularly makes me cringe). These is
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> vast and rich source of authentic names in the many Aboriginal languages
>>>
>> of
>>
>>> our continent- is it outragous to suggest we consider this?
>>>
>>> Mark Carter
>>> Alice Springs
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:24 +1100
>>> From: "Philip Veerman" <>
>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
>>> To: "'Tony Russell'" <>
>>> Cc: "Birding-aus \(E-mail\)" <>
>>> Message-ID: <>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Surely their proper name is the Australian Black Satin-necked non-jabiru
>>> Stork. (joke)
>>>
>>> Why doesn't some book author take the initiative to rename some bird
>>> groups to simpler things, like rename the Cuckoo-shrikes as Cush e.g.
>>> "Black-faced Cush" and likewise invent other new names, so we can
>>> dispense with all those silly names like "Cuckoo-shrike" (not a joke).
>>> After all, names are just labels, why not have distinctive ones that
>>> don't give wrong impressions.
>>>
>>> Philip Veerman
>>> 24 Castley Circuit
>>> Kambah ACT 2902
>>>
>>> 02 - 62314041
>>>
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