And surely here lies the problem with using traditional names.
I honestly like the idea, but which language will win and who can
pronounce them??
Cheers
Dave
On 24/11/2009, at 3:46 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
Ah, but we got them back so no reason not to use the local Aboriginal
name.
2009/11/24 Denise Goodfellow <>
I suggest that seeing Victoria got rid of its Magpie-geese and
they're so
important to people like the Kunwinjku in Arnhem Land, that their
name be
adopted - Manimanuk.
Denise
on 24/11/09 1:46 PM, at
wrote:
Wombats are still badgers in parts of Tasmania!
Excellent suggestion Mark. There will be problems with the
plethora of
Aboriginal languages (and the difficulty English speakers have
pronouncing
Aboriginal words) and differences between their taxonomy and that of
Western science but and it shouldn't be too great a task.
Consider the following:
Western Kulin names (from southwestern Victoria)
Maerii - Gang Gang Cockatoo
Pirtuup - Sandpiper
Wilann - Black Cockatoo [probably Red-tailed]
Eastern Kulin names (from central Victoria)
Kruk-wor-rum - Snipe
Dulum - Black Duck
Bath-mum - Wood Duck
Uu-gup - King Parrot
Barrawarn - Australian Magpie
Tee-yung - Rose Robin
Nup-nup or Bik-mum - [Magpie] goose
Some of the words may not use the linguistically preferred spelling
but
you
should get an idea of what could work.
Regards
David
Mark Carter
<markthomascarter
@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re
'Jabiru'
24/11/09 01:55 PM
I agree with Philip Veerman's post- the confusing 'Jabiru' is just
the
tip
of the iceberg when it comes to Australian bird common names. I think
settlers did Australian birds a great diservice when they set about
naming
them after the vaguely similar species of elsewhere but it was
understandible. What I don't understand is the way 21st century
ornithology
persists with these clumsy confusing labels. A Red-capped Robin is
not a
robin in much the same way than a Koala bear is not a bear.
Mammologists
have gotten over this dodgy inheritance years ago- native cats are
now
almost universally renamed quolls, marsupial mice are now dunnarts
(or
antichinus or psuedo antichinus or...) and porcupines are now
echidnas.
Australian birds such as shrike-thrushes, woodswallows, wrens, chats,
magpies, babblers and treecreepers are intrinsically awesome and
don't
deserve to be encumbered by these clumsy, 2nd hand, confusing and
often
dreadful misnomers (shrike-thrush particularly makes me cringe).
These is
a
vast and rich source of authentic names in the many Aboriginal
languages
of
our continent- is it outragous to suggest we consider this?
Mark Carter
Alice Springs
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:24 +1100
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
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Surely their proper name is the Australian Black Satin-necked non-
jabiru
Stork. (joke)
Why doesn't some book author take the initiative to rename some bird
groups to simpler things, like rename the Cuckoo-shrikes as Cush e.g.
"Black-faced Cush" and likewise invent other new names, so we can
dispense with all those silly names like "Cuckoo-shrike" (not a
joke).
After all, names are just labels, why not have distinctive ones that
don't give wrong impressions.
Philip Veerman
24 Castley Circuit
Kambah ACT 2902
02 - 62314041
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