Ah, but your swamps are drying up so you may not have them for much longer!
on 24/11/09 2:16 PM, Dave Torr at wrote:
> Ah, but we got them back so no reason not to use the local Aboriginal name.
>
> 2009/11/24 Denise Goodfellow <>
>> I suggest that seeing Victoria got rid of its Magpie-geese and they're so
>> important to people like the Kunwinjku in Arnhem Land, that their name be
>> adopted - Manimanuk.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 24/11/09 1:46 PM, at
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Wombats are still badgers in parts of Tasmania!
>>> >
>>> > Excellent suggestion Mark. There will be problems with the plethora of
>>> > Aboriginal languages (and the difficulty English speakers have pronouncing
>>> > Aboriginal words) and differences between their taxonomy and that of
>>> > Western science but and it shouldn't be too great a task.
>>> >
>>> > Consider the following:
>>> >
>>> > Western Kulin names (from southwestern Victoria)
>>> >
>>> > Maerii - Gang Gang Cockatoo
>>> > Pirtuup - Sandpiper
>>> > Wilann - Black Cockatoo [probably Red-tailed]
>>> >
>>> > Eastern Kulin names (from central Victoria)
>>> >
>>> > Kruk-wor-rum - Snipe
>>> > Dulum - Black Duck
>>> > Bath-mum - Wood Duck
>>> > Uu-gup - King Parrot
>>> > Barrawarn - Australian Magpie
>>> > Tee-yung - Rose Robin
>>> > Nup-nup or Bik-mum - [Magpie] goose
>>> >
>>> > Some of the words may not use the linguistically preferred spelling but
>>> you
>>> > should get an idea of what could work.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mark Carter
>>> > <markthomascarter
>>> > @yahoo.co.uk <http://yahoo.co.uk> >
>>> To
>>> > Sent by:
>>> > birding-aus-bounc cc
>>> >
>>> > Subject
>>> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
>>> > 24/11/09 01:55 PM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I agree with Philip Veerman's post- the confusing 'Jabiru' is just the tip
>>> > of the iceberg when it comes to Australian bird common names. I think
>>> > settlers did Australian birds a great diservice when they set about naming
>>> > them after the vaguely similar species of elsewhere but it was
>>> > understandible. What I don't understand is the way 21st century
>>> ornithology
>>> > persists with these clumsy confusing labels. A Red-capped Robin is not a
>>> > robin in much the same way than a Koala bear is not a bear. Mammologists
>>> > have gotten over this dodgy inheritance years ago- native cats are now
>>> > almost universally renamed quolls, marsupial mice are now dunnarts (or
>>> > antichinus or psuedo antichinus or...) and porcupines are now echidnas.
>>> > Australian birds such as shrike-thrushes, woodswallows, wrens, chats,
>>> > magpies, babblers and treecreepers are intrinsically awesome and don't
>>> > deserve to be encumbered by these clumsy, 2nd hand, confusing and often
>>> > dreadful misnomers (shrike-thrush particularly makes me cringe). These is
a
>>> > vast and rich source of authentic names in the many Aboriginal languages
>>> of
>>> > our continent- is it outragous to suggest we consider this?
>>> >
>>> > Mark Carter
>>> > Alice Springs
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:24 +1100
>>> > From: "Philip Veerman" <>
>>> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
>>> > To: "'Tony Russell'" <>
>>> > Cc: "Birding-aus \(E-mail\)" <>
>>> > Message-ID: <>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>> >
>>> > Surely their proper name is the Australian Black Satin-necked non-jabiru
>>> > Stork. (joke)
>>> >
>>> > Why doesn't some book author take the initiative to rename some bird
>>> > groups to simpler things, like rename the Cuckoo-shrikes as Cush e.g.
>>> > "Black-faced Cush" and likewise invent other new names, so we can
>>> > dispense with all those silly names like "Cuckoo-shrike" (not a joke).
>>> > After all, names are just labels, why not have distinctive ones that
>>> > don't give wrong impressions.
>>> >
>>> > Philip Veerman
>>> > 24 Castley Circuit
>>> > Kambah ACT 2902
>>> >
>>> > 02 - 62314041
>>> >
>>> >
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