Denise
The demise of Victorian Magpie Geese or Bik-mum (dirty bum) was down to
Europeans but I take your point.
Regards
David
Denise Goodfellow
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24/11/09 03:33 PM Carter
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Re: Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re
'Jabiru'
I suggest that seeing Victoria got rid of its Magpie-geese and they're so
important to people like the Kunwinjku in Arnhem Land, that their name be
adopted - Manimanuk.
Denise
on 24/11/09 1:46 PM, at
wrote:
> Wombats are still badgers in parts of Tasmania!
>
> Excellent suggestion Mark. There will be problems with the plethora of
> Aboriginal languages (and the difficulty English speakers have
pronouncing
> Aboriginal words) and differences between their taxonomy and that of
> Western science but and it shouldn't be too great a task.
>
> Consider the following:
>
> Western Kulin names (from southwestern Victoria)
>
> Maerii - Gang Gang Cockatoo
> Pirtuup - Sandpiper
> Wilann - Black Cockatoo [probably Red-tailed]
>
> Eastern Kulin names (from central Victoria)
>
> Kruk-wor-rum - Snipe
> Dulum - Black Duck
> Bath-mum - Wood Duck
> Uu-gup - King Parrot
> Barrawarn - Australian Magpie
> Tee-yung - Rose Robin
> Nup-nup or Bik-mum - [Magpie] goose
>
> Some of the words may not use the linguistically preferred spelling but
you
> should get an idea of what could work.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>
>
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>
> Mark Carter
> <markthomascarter
> @yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
> 24/11/09 01:55 PM
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> I agree with Philip Veerman's post- the confusing 'Jabiru' is just the
tip
> of the iceberg when it comes to Australian bird common names. I think
> settlers did Australian birds a great diservice when they set about
naming
> them after the vaguely similar species of elsewhere but it was
> understandible. What I don't understand is the way 21st century
ornithology
> persists with these clumsy confusing labels. A Red-capped Robin is not a
> robin in much the same way than a Koala bear is not a bear. Mammologists
> have gotten over this dodgy inheritance years ago- native cats are now
> almost universally renamed quolls, marsupial mice are now dunnarts (or
> antichinus or psuedo antichinus or...) and porcupines are now echidnas.
> Australian birds such as shrike-thrushes, woodswallows, wrens, chats,
> magpies, babblers and treecreepers are intrinsically awesome and don't
> deserve to be encumbered by these clumsy, 2nd hand, confusing and often
> dreadful misnomers (shrike-thrush particularly makes me cringe). These is
a
> vast and rich source of authentic names in the many Aboriginal languages
of
> our continent- is it outragous to suggest we consider this?
>
> Mark Carter
> Alice Springs
>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:24 +1100
> From: "Philip Veerman" <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re 'Jabiru'
> To: "'Tony Russell'" <>
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> Surely their proper name is the Australian Black Satin-necked non-jabiru
> Stork. (joke)
>
> Why doesn't some book author take the initiative to rename some bird
> groups to simpler things, like rename the Cuckoo-shrikes as Cush e.g.
> "Black-faced Cush" and likewise invent other new names, so we can
> dispense with all those silly names like "Cuckoo-shrike" (not a joke).
> After all, names are just labels, why not have distinctive ones that
> don't give wrong impressions.
>
> Philip Veerman
> 24 Castley Circuit
> Kambah ACT 2902
>
> 02 - 62314041
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