On 6-May-06, at 3:44 PM, Lennert Buytenhek wrote:
> On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 10:01:42AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>>>> As a company I can tell you that if I want to put this board into a
>>>> product and it is licensed under the GPL I have to do weigh the
>>>> following. How much will it cost me to defend the licensing of my
>>>> product
>>>
>>> Why would you have to?
>>
>> Simple, someone says I want you to open source all of your code
>> because you have used a GPL'd product.
>> They take the company to court, I have to defend myself regardless.
>
> Right, so you would just take something without permission of the
> owner, and then complain about the owner not being happy with that.
> You are arguing that the owner should just give it to you because
> that would be better for you.
I certainly never said that.
>
> That's like saying that if I one day walk into the Walmart and decide
> to take something without paying for it, I might get into trouble, so
> it would be better if the Walmart would just give it to me for free.
>
>
>>> I don't see how you not liking the license on board A's design
>>> prevents you from paying someone to design board B and licensing
>>> it under the BSD license?
>>
>> Doesn't
>
> So, you like this design, you said that you were willing to put
> your money where your mouth is, and you also said that you don't like
> the GPL. There is a good solution: you pay Dave to license his design
> under the BSD license, so everyone (including your company and TS and
> everyone else) can use it under the BSD license, and you won't ever
> have to worry about the GPL police knocking on your door -- how does
> that sound?
I've already offered money for this project. However I'm less
interested in investing in it if it is GPL
>
>
>>>> Don't assume that because it is free they will simply use it
>>>> without giving back. In fact the opposite is true.
>>>
>>> You mean like with OpenSSH?
>>
>> I take it people are using openSSH without giving back?
>
> Yup. Even though it's one of the most successful open source projects
> (BSD, GPL, whatever), people for some reason weren't just standing in
> line to donate -- which somewhat contradicts your initial assertion.
One exemplar doesn't make an my assertion incorrect. I think it
largely depends on the people and the project
There's ton's of projects that don't get help. There's many more BSD
projects that do get independently funded.
>
>
>> The projects I am familiar with are Postgresql, all of the apache
>> stuff, all of the codehaus stuff.
>>
>> I know for a fact that IBM invests in apache. A number of companies
>> invest in PostgreSQL
>
> So perhaps you can fund Dave's hardware design too.
See above. I'm willing to provide bandwidth, servers, my time and my
money.
>
>
> cheers,
> Lennert
>
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