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Re: Recorder advise for Recorders with PIP mics

Subject: Re: Recorder advise for Recorders with PIP mics
From: "revery" reveryus
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:57 am ((PST))

I use a PCMM10 as my ultra-portable recorder when hiking etc, and given tha=
t the EM172 seems to be regarded as the best match for this recorder, is th=
ere a significant advantage to using external EM172=92s apart from achievin=
g a better stereo image? Perhaps the in-built capsules are compromised by t=
he housing?
Essentially, do you notice a significant difference when using the external=


Ray Every
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On 12 Nov 2015, at 1:09 pm, rightwhales  [naturerecord=
ists] <> wrote:

> David,
> I have used both the PCMM10 and the LS11 and I like them both. Both have =
good, quiet preamps for PIP mics. I use EM172 mic capsules. Technically the=
 PCM-M10 is a better match for EM172 mic capsules than the LS11, but I have=
 done a lot of listening tests comparing them and I cannot hear any differe=
nce. Both have excellent battery life.
> Advantages of the LS11: 8 GB built-in memory; SD card memory expansion; s=
atisfactory stereo imaging with built-in mics. Fits easily in hand. I prefe=
r the record function of the LS11 (press "record" twice) over the Sony (pre=
ss "record," then press "play" or "pause").
> Advantages of PCM-M10: 5 second pre-record buffer; cross-memory recording=
 (switches memory destination if current memory is full); built-in mics are=
 slightly quieter (but stereo image is almost non-existent).
> Two great little recorders. So it depends on which features mean the most=
 to you. Hope that helps.
> John
> John L. Crockett
> Let us live in harmony with the Earth And all creatures That our lives ma=
y be a blessing.
> From: "D Secomb  [naturerecordists]" <naturerecordis=
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Re: Recorder advise for Recorders with P=
IP mics
> Thank for those who replied.
> I got the D50 in 2009 and was used most weekends. From an earlier post (s=
ee 30/8/2015) it appears to be an PCB/logicboard issue. It would freeze on =
me and nothing worked even switching it off didn't work. When recording, at=
 times the record function didn't work, which would happen a few times at t=
he end. This meant slipping the batteries out and starting again. At the en=
d it wouldn't connect to the compter and had difficulty playing selected tr=
acks. When it did connect the files that were transferred were corrupted.
> The D100 is expensive and not available in Australia. In light getting on=
e with problems, I'm not experience international warranties.
> It appears M10 is available in Australia and I know of an Olympus LS11.  =
Both of these I have a better chance negotiating with my wife.
> I'm using Telinga EM-23's mics which if I understand right one of the bet=
ter PIP mics.
> Still need time to have a good look at the above models.
> Cheers
> David

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sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.

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