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Re: Recorder advise for Recorders with PIP mics

Subject: Re: Recorder advise for Recorders with PIP mics
From: "rightwhales" naturalcontemplative
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:13 pm ((PST))
I have used both the PCMM10 and the LS11 and I like them both. Both have go=
od, quiet preamps for PIP mics. I use EM172 mic capsules. Technically the P=
CM-M10 is a better match for EM172 mic capsules than the LS11, but I have d=
one a lot of listening tests comparing them and I cannot hear any differenc=
e. Both have excellent battery life.

Advantages of the LS11: 8 GB built-in memory; SD card memory expansion; sat=
isfactory stereo imaging with built-in mics. Fits easily in hand. I prefer =
the record function of the LS11 (press "record" twice) over the Sony (press=
 "record," then press "play" or "pause").

Advantages of PCM-M10: 5 second pre-record buffer; cross-memory recording (=
switches memory destination if current memory is full); built-in mics are s=
lightly quieter (but stereo image is almost non-existent).
Two great little recorders. So it depends on which features mean the most t=
o you. Hope that helps.
=A0John L. Crockett

Let us live in harmony with the Earth And all creatures That our lives may =
be a blessing.
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 Thank for those who replied.
 I got the D50 in 2009 and was used most weekends. From an earlier post (se=
e 30/8/2015) it appears to be an PCB/logicboard issue. It would freeze on m=
e and nothing worked even switching it off didn't work. When recording, at =
times the record function didn't work, which would happen a few times at th=
e end. This meant slipping the batteries out and starting again. At the end=
 it wouldn't connect to the compter and had difficulty playing selected tra=
cks. When it did connect the files that were transferred were corrupted.

 The D100 is expensive and not available in Australia. In light getting one=
 with problems, I'm not experience international warranties.

 It appears M10 is available in Australia and I know of an Olympus LS11.=A0=
 Both of these I have a better chance negotiating with my wife.

 I'm using Telinga EM-23's mics which if I understand right one of the bett=
er PIP mics.

 Still need time to have a good look at the above models.


 On 11/11/2015 1:30 AM, 'Tim Bartlett'  [naturere=
cordists] wrote:
 =A0   I also have a D50 and have been tempted by the D100 but have heard a=
bout quite a few users having various problems with them, resulting in quit=
e a few machines going back to Sony for replacement. Sounds like once you g=
et a decent one, they are good, but beware of possible teething issues.  =
=A0 If PIP mics are your main use, the D100 might be overkill for the price=
 vs potential improvements over D50 (assuming you can find a second hand on=
e to buy)  =A0 I have seen D50=92s go really cheap on ebay, so there are de=
finite bargains to be had=85.but they are becoming more rare now, and I gue=
ss there is a danger it might die like yours has=85  =A0 What happened to y=
our D50 that killed it then?  =A0 Tim  =A0  =A0   From: = 
 Sent: 09 November 2015 15:23
 Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Recorder advise for Recorders with PIP mi=
cs    =A0 =A0     The Sony PCM-D100 is an excellent choice, I tend to use m=
ine more than some of my other recorders, due to its portability=A0and reco=
rding capability; without the need for additional cabling, connectors, adap=
ters, batteries, tripods, or even  external microphones. There will always =
of course be occasions where a different recorder with specialist external=
=A0microphones would be a better choice (and +$$$$), but if you want a good=
 all-round standalone unit with excellent recording  quality on a reasonabl=
e but=A0limited budget, then=A0the PCM-D100 is the recommended choice.  =A0=
 A good argument to convince the Wife, is that the D100 is a replacement un=
it, is of much better quality, and will last for several years=A0 ;-)  =A0 =
All the best Lawrence     

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