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We make a clip on mic using the Primo EM172 capsules, its called the Clippy=
EM172 and is available in mono and stereo versions. The capsule is in a bl=
ack aluminium housing, and it comes with removable clips. We also stock sui=
table windshields and spare clips. The housings are available separately if=
you wish to assemble your own.=0D
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Thanks, John, that's helpful. It's really apparent just how different a "g=
ood mic" is for nature recording as opposed to general field recording. Imp=
ortant lesson learned. =0D
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I gather EM172 capsules are what the M10 uses internally (according to som=
ething I saw online where someone disassembled one). I've been very happy w=
ith it, although as many have noted the soundstage is quite narrow. =0D
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Considering the popularity of the EM172 capsules, I'm surprised no one mak=
es a pair of inexpensive mics using them. Or if they have, I'm not seeing t=
hem anywhere.=0D
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- Charles=0D
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On Jun 24, 2015, at 10:33 AM, 'John Crockett' [=
naturerecordists] < naturerecordists=
@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D
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Hi Charles,=0D
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You are not hearing preamp noise, it is all coming from the microphones.=
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The PCM-M10 preamps are very quiet for a small recorder and are only=0D
adding about 0.02 dB of noise to the mics. The BSM-9 have (published) self=
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noise of 36 dB compared to 17 dB for the PCM-M10 mic capsules. That's=0D
almost 9 times more noise. Increasing sensitivity would not help, because=
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the preamp noise is already inaudible and it can't get more inaudible.=0D
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If you want quiet and inexpensive, I'd suggest building a small and simple=
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boundary array, with EM172 mic capsules, like Vicki Powys' foam block=0D
SASS. 13 dB self noise, and the signal-to-noise ration is improved several=
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decibels by the boundary. Very satisfying results.=0D
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Lots of fun info on her site=0D
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http://www.caperteebirder.com/index.php?p=3D1_17_recording-gear-1 http://w=
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best wishes,=0D
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John=0D
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> My thought was if it increases the sensitivity=0D
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> noise, but feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.=0D
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And all creatures,=0D
That our lives may be a blessing.=0D
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