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Re: Stereo mics

Subject: Re: Stereo mics
From: "Philip Tyler" macmang4125
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:25 am ((PST))
The AT815st according to Audio Technica's web page is a discontinued model =
as you say, as regards performance I don't think it is a particularly quiet=
 microphone. They quote a S/N ration of around 72dB for this mic while they=
 quote a S/N ratio of 78dB for the AT3032. They also quote the same S/N rat=
io of 72dB for the newer BP4027.


Have a look at Rob's microphone pages where he has a fairly comprehensive l=
ist of microphones and their self noise figures. I notice he has recently p=
roduced a separate list of mics with <17dB self noise which would be a good=
 place to start:


http://www.uwm.edu/~type/audio-reports/MicSpecCharts/Mics_16dBA.htm


Looking down the list the Rode Stereo Video Mic is listed as having 15dB of=
 self noise. I know that there are a few who use the Shure VP88 stereo mic =
but it does have quite a high self noise figure of 24dB!


The Sennheiser 418S is an excellent quality low noise short gun stereo mic =
but would set you back around =A3880 new from the UK and it is widely used =
and respected microphone. You would have to add on the cost of a windshield=
 and mount to that if you don't have anything suitable so would push the pr=
ice up a fair bit. But it would be far superior to the Audio Technica micro=
phones especially in the world of nature recording where you can tend to us=
e a fair bit of gain to capture the sound.


Using two mono mic's or an M/S rig can produce excellent stereo and of all =
the examples I hear from members of this group it is the dual mono or M/S r=
igs that I like the sound of.


If you are after capturing singing birds say in stereo then something like =
the 418 would be a good choice of a point and shoot microphone. Otherwise t=
here is the stereo Telinga not cheap, but it does give you 'acoustic' gain =
which is noise free! Don't get me wrong the 418 would not be bad at capturi=
ng a stereo sound-scape, it would not quite have that same openness you can=
 get from the other rigs that are around.


You can make up a stereo bar with something like Rode shock mounts and moun=
t two short gun mics or two mono mics. As money is of a concern I have done=
 this and OK it may not be as compact as having a stereo mic or a M/S rig i=
nside a Rycote style wind jammer it is a lot cheaper and very easily hand h=
eld or attached to my tripod. I find I it easily breaks down for transport =
and takes moments to either install the two K6?ME66's with Rycote softies o=
r two AT3032's. I have fashioned a handle that I leave permanently attached=
 with a couple of short tails taped off onto the handle. The Rode mounts us=
e an elastic suspension and will accommodate any mic in the 20mm diameter r=
egion. I am looking into fashioning a 'barrier' type device that I can atta=
ch to each AT3032 while on my stereo bar as an experiment.


Hope some of the above is of use to you.


Phil

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            Well as no one seems to have replied to an earlier post regardi=
ng the

Sennheiser MKH 418 I assume no one on this group is using one so now I

 am looking at the AT815st which some members have mentioned using.

While doing a search for info on this stereo mic it appears AT have or

are about to release a new stereo mic as the BP4027. Further web

searching has proved a bit confusing as on some sites it turns up as

the AT815 and others a newer model. On bhphotvideo site they have this

listed as the AT815st. I am wondering if its a new model. It is

considerably cheaper than the Sennheiser 418. Does anyone have any

experience with this or seen any reviews. I know several on this group

prefer to use dual mono mics rather than single point stereo and I can

understand the flexibility that setup offers but unless anyone can

explain how to adapt a standard Rycote single mic suspension and

windscreen to take two mics I have little option unless I buy a stereo

suspension.. ..it seems the cheaper way to go....but would the 418 be a

better mic than the AT815/BP4027? perhaps someone could recommend a

good stereo mic.



thanks all

                                     clint































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