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Re: Minimics from Microphone Madness for field recording?

Subject: Re: Minimics from Microphone Madness for field recording?
From: "John Hartog" <>
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:33:46 -0000





--- In  "Rich Peet" <> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In  Walter Knapp 
<>
> wrote:
> > From: Curt Olson <>
> > 
> > > I'm currently favoring a simple barrier array (183s mounted 
> > > side-by-side and facing forward on opposite sides of a plywood 
> > > barrier). I like the excellent L/R imaging and rock-solid mono 
> > > compatibility. It also seems to deliver noticeably higher gain
> than the 
> > > spaced arrays I've tried, but with a slightly hyped high end
> depending 
> > > on the exact material used. Size of the barrier seems to have 
a big 
> > > effect on L/R imaging, so it gives a lot of room for tweaking. 
The
> two 
> > > biggest problems I would report are: 1) barrier arrays can get 
bulky; 
> > > 2) handling noise can be "off the charts," and foam padding 
doesn't 
> > > seem to help much.
> > 
> > What you are describing is a crude Jecklin disk setup. Hunt up 
info on 
> > that. You'll find there are a bunch of variations.
> > 
> > To take care of handling noise you need some form of suspension 
between 
> > you and the mic. A solid path carries the sound.
> > 
> > Walt
> > 
> 
> I don't think he is.  Sounds more like a conventional pzm barrier.
> 
> Nothing is more crude than a Jecklin disk and any modification will
> likely be an improvement over the commercial design.  I am still
> waiting to hear from anyone that says they like the sound of that
> setup for soundfields more than a couple feet away compared to
> anything else.  I like barriers but imho the Jecklin is poorly 
spendt
> time to build on your own and a big mistake to buy.
> Rich

I have a couple questions about this. What makes the Jecklin design 
so inferior, and what sort of modifications would best improve the 
commercial design?  What sort of barriers do you prefer?

I have been experimenting with barriers with NT1-As and I83s.  For 
the NT1-As I made a barrier sort of like a Jecklin disk, but its 
oval instead of round and its thicker - about two inches thick made 
from some dense fiberglass acoustic tile material I found at the 
local recycled scrap store. It seems to work well for directional 
stereo with both mics out a couple inches from the surface and faced 
strait forward.

For the 183s I have been working on a barrier for use with a dish.  
First I tried mounting the mics on a small disk of thin metal - 
about two inches diameter. This had great stereo for the subject 
sounds, but it flipped left and right for more distant sounds. My 
guess is sounds from the right reflect off the left side of the dish 
and into the left mic.  Today I am trying out a larger disk - it's 
made from an old record, a standard LP what ever size that is.  My 
hope is it will shield the left and right of the dish from sounds 
from the opposite sides. The mics are mounted to the surface of the 
record facing into the dish.  I suppose this may have some pzm 
effect, though I don't know much about pzms.
-John Hartog






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